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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,197 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


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    What you're describing is the productivity problem in the UK.

    GDP growth per hour is stagnant despite significant immigration. If the UK applied a more selective immigration policy where people had to demonstrate a tangible positive economic benefit to the economy, it would be a lot easier to get that GDP per capita figure to growth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Didn't the UK have 1million people extra in the country last year. Jaysus they should be booming as some posters describe on here but they're far from that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    2300 applications for those 46 apartments on Boland's Mills. That's why we need to stop making dumb promises

    We need a monumental recession



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,032 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    ”we need a momental recession” is a monumentally stupid thing to say.

    We need a better managed property sector and it’s possible slower economic growth would help offset some of the mismanagement up to now.

    I will never understand why people think in such extremes. “Irelands full”. “Mass deportations”. It’s mad carry on Ted.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    The orange man may well provide that for us shortly.

    Our nation is haemorrhaging money on this foolishness and if the above happens the last of the wheels will come off the car, quickly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    If over 80% of asylum applications are rejected they should be deported. Why should we continue to spend vast sums on these people when we have so many social problems?

    A recession might wake the government up and start seeing us getting value for money instead of money being burned relentlessly for the sake of being woke.

    I don't want my kids living in Australia in 10 years time and if they have families of their own, I don't want to be a stranger to my grandchildren.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,321 ✭✭✭prunudo


    This is the thing people don't realise. The path we are on is ruining the future for our children and grandchildren. Any society should be built with furthering their youth, but the knock on from mass immigration is destroying it and many are blind to it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,265 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It is but it's also a revealing thing to say. They just seem to hate foreigners and are happy for real Irish people to suffer and to emigrate as I had to do to find work.

    I'm curious if there's a single example of a housing crisis being solved by a recession.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Absolutely nobody outside Drogheda gave two hoots about the decline of Drogheda until asylum seekers were put in a hotel there — and suddenly a lot more people have developed very strong feelings about the town's wellbeing.

    Drogheda was once once one of the major thoroughfares for all traffic from Dublin to the North. That all died the day the shiny new road was built. And that was only one thing — the removal of local government from the town, mismanagement of council housing and the general loss of the town's economic identity given proximity to Dublin and retail parks were all also factors of its decline. The North has also ceased to be seen as a place where tourists didn't dare to tread, and Drogheda no longer makes any real sense as a stopover when Belfast and Dublin are now a short and comfortable drive apart.

    But jaysus, the second you stick asylum seekers in there then suddenly the passions for Drogheda's decline are aroused nationwide. And that's how it works with the migration topic. If migration or migrants themselves can be blamed for a problem, even if only partly, they will be blamed and they will be ushered to the very top of the list of causes — or at least the wider, more significant or longer lasting causes will be roundly ignored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,819 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Accommodation providers have been pulling out of Drogheda for decades.

    It is the reason the "Love Drogheda" initiative was launched and as they highlighted.

    Prior to 2020 Drogheda had 231 visitor accommodation bedrooms in the town of Drogheda across 5 venues. This figure has been reduced by 56% decrease.

    It's basically a de facto commuter town now.

    Like I already said it has a lot more problems to deal with than just lack of tourism, although saying that there is plenty of accommodation available there for the peak of the summer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    I don’t want the economy to crash but Irish people are already suffering under what’s happening with mass immigration. Why are mount street residents and businesses taking legal action to stop an IPAS centre? Why have many small towns and working class communities protested against this? Is it just a rotten stroke of luck that all racists happen to be living in the same area. Or maybe is it because it is making their lives worse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    I hate what my country has become

    I hate that the younger generations of Irish people are having extortionate rents, an inability to buy a home of their own, that billions of tax payers money is being squandered on a problem that is not ours and the government don't enforce any basic controls on our borders which is only making the problem worse

    Law and order is done. The City centre of our capital city is now a horrible dump, our prisons are full, our health service is a disaster, we have monumental problems with schools, lack of teachers (wonder why?) Yet we continue to be forced down this path.

    Our tourism industry is falling off a cliff because hotels are not being used for what they are designed for, a man in Tipp (?) Is being taken to court for living in a shed in his own land because he didn't have PP yet the govt bypass every planning law going to house asylum seekers in factories.

    And now the govt what younger generations to live in sheds in their parents back gardens. Like that's a solution.

    A recession will force the govt to start managing the finances properly, to actually run the country properly. The solution to everything is to throw money at the problem. That's not a solution. It just drives up the cost of living.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,265 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Not buying it for a second. You were cheering for a recession above. Last one brought such misery that we're still feeling the consequences. It was a big reason for me emigrating along with countless other Irish but I don't think you care about that once the immigration number drops which is a big assumption. It'd also worsen crime and tourism but that's fine because less immigration.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,819 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I don't want my kids living in Australia in 10 years time and if they have families of their own, I don't want to be a stranger to my grandchildren.

    We need a monumental recession

    How do you square those 2 statements?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Immigration is a fact of life.

    But the way our government do it, it's a gravy train. It's ruining the country, there is no long term plan to deal with an extra million people for housing, school, gardai, health service, prisons etc.

    The last recession drove a considerable number out of the country, there is nothing here for them now. Many won't return. Now they are being driven out by a govt policy of open borders and promises of housing to Johnny foreigner.

    When the storm hit last months many people were left without basic services (water, electricity, heat) in winter. I didn't see the govt commandeering hotels for the Irish people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,819 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The last recession drove a considerable number out of the country, there is nothing here for them now. Many won't return

    It's a bit odd you are calling for a "monumental recession" so, isn't it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    People are leaving anyway. The only way change at govt level will happen if it's forced.

    We we supposedly a wealthy nation, yet the govt are planning PRSI increase to boost state pensions pot according to this mornings media reports.

    Yet we p1ss away €6,000,000,000 on NGOs, plus €1,5000,000,000 on that asylum seeker process every single year.

    In the first year of the bottle return scheme, €54,000,000 went unclaimed. It's just another tax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    Mod Edit: Warned for ignoring mod instruction re: anecdotes

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,819 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    People are leaving anyway. The only way change at govt level will happen if it's forced.

    Irish people will always emigrate. It's what we do. Like many other nations.

    Generally they will also come back with new experiences, skills, etc.

    30,000 returned last year which was an increase on 2023.

    Bemoaning emigration while at the same time calling for a "monumental recession" is pretty counter intuitive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    I dont agree with having a recession to sort this but i also don't agree with when there is a boom in this small isle why the windfall of such is just given to a certain connected cohort every time. It was developers last time now its this.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,321 ✭✭✭prunudo


    If government policy repeatedly requires the gardai and the public order unit on site, threatening and bullying normal citizens to push through the policy, then there is a problem with said policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Indeed.

    If policies need to be imposed on law-abiding Irish communities through violence, and the threat thereof, it could well be time to reconsider said policies.

    I did not think I would live to see an Irish government implement bitterly unpopular, dangerous policies by force, in the manner of a colonial overlord, but I saw it with the last wretched regime.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,265 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That's not true though. During the Tiger years Charlie McCreevy, an admirer of Margaret Thatcher, opted instead to splash the cash on tax cuts and handouts for various public sector employees. Instead of investing in infrastructure or housing, the money was wasted on the middle classes' obsession with new kitchens, new houses, villas, package holidays and other keeping up with the Joneses crap.

    Here in the UK, living standards are still below 2008 levels. Anyone hoping for a recession just to get rid of Johnny Foreigner is probably in some safe ivory tower job, insulated from the effects of the recession they want.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Zico !


    Taxed to the hilt to pay for this sham.

    Services in freefall.

    Thank you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,482 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I certainly don't want a recession where I could be unemployed and struggle to pay my mortgage and feed my kid.

    But the only way to stop this madness of people coming for handouts is something bad like a recession.

    The country needs a total reset, we are exporting our skilled workers and they are being replaced by less skilled workers.

    The Multinationals probably won't hang around if the quality of workers in Ireland gets worse.

    They may be here for tax reasons but also because we are a highly educated country.

    We need to start making it attractive for healthcare staff and tradesmen to stay here and not just go to underdeveloped countries and take their skilled workers.

    I suppose it was wars that raped underdeveloped countries in the past and now it's more civilized to ensure they stay underdeveloped.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So a small number of violent threatening individuals should trump the decisions of the elected government?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,032 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    We don’t need a recession to speed up the deportations of people whose claim fails. We need a willingness and a plan. Neither of which exist, for a reasons I can’t understand.

    As for your kids moving to Australia. If there’s a massive recession that becomes even more likely.

    Slower economic growth and balanced immigration policies help, not bankrupting the country.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    This is what our government are building, at considerable cost, all over the country. And given their unwillingness to deport failed applicants, these people become a burden on the tax payers, they offer little to nothing to our society as a whole.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calais_Jungle



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,032 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Who is calling them racist? This seems like a strawman argument to me.

    We all agree something needs to change. I want to speed up processing and deportation. Why isn’t this happening? Look to FFG

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    The challenges of dealing with migration are real and the downsides of poorly managed migration are real — but when you are at the point of saying "maybe we need a total economic meltdown to totally reset the country" then it's probably worth asking yourself if maybe you've gone a bit too deep into the wormhole of alarmism.

    A major recession is unlikely to do much anyway as regards migration longterm — it may cause temporary warps in migration (ie, less EU or other wealthy country migrants) but Ireland would remain an attractive place for migrants from poorer countries. Plus, you would then still have young Irish people leaving, with skill gaps to be plugged.

    We have a particular "problem" here in that we have a skilled, talented, highly educated and English-speaking pool of young graduates and workers whose skills are in demand all over the world. You can do things to make Ireland attractive them, but there's little you can do about it being a small island nation under rainy grey skies in the North Atlantic and there's a fun, sunny world out there with a whole array of things to experience. Young people are going to go if they have the chance and they always will.



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