Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

Hard to know who to believe, both Trump and Russia are compulsive liars, but then again Trump is incompetent.

But knowing Trump and his lack of negotiating skills, he'll be saying Russian troops should be peacekeepers in Ukraine next.

From his meeting with Macron. Looks like an IV bruise.

The war in Ukraine is a very multifaceted and complicated issue and my views on it are complicated.

In summing up, I am a realist and my views would be similar to those of Jeffrey Sachs and John Mearsheimer. This war was wholly avoidable.

I don't belive the conventional wisdom that Putin is an Imperialist and wishes to expand the Russian Empire. If that were the case why did he engage in peace talks in March 2022, why not continue with his supposed goal ?

It was Biden the warmonger and the US that vetoed that deal and told Zelensky to fight on.

Ukraine is losing the war, they cant really win, Trump knows this so the logical course of action is diplomacy and talks. He is holding talks with Russia, one of the 3 main superpowers in a bid to broker a peace deal and also reopen diplomatic relations with Russia as he now views China as the US's major threat.

Sure he could handle it better, its very crude and inflammatory what he is saying but lets give it a bit of time, see how it pans out. Theres a long way to go, he cant coerce the Ukranians into surrender so Putin will have to give some ground.

I think Trump will stick by Article 5, he still values Nato but just wants Europe to step up to the plate more.

It goes back to Trumps belief the Art of the Deal.

Its not pretty but neither is war, Id prefer Trumps approach to that of Biden. Putin has no notions of imperialist expansion, its about Ukraine giving up the notion of joining Nato, thats what the war is about.

It doesnt hurt to talk, and Trump and the US has a much stronger hand than Putin does.

Ah yes, pushing the propaganda that Russia was intimidated by NATO. So you favour siding with a genocidal regime which is what Trump is doing. Saying just wait is nonsense.

Ukraine were invaded. Russia is the aggressor, Trump is plundering Ukraine while Russia is set to get away with no punishment. He's punishing the victim and it's not multifaceted

You are justifying the invasion and pretending it's multifaceted. It's something that frequently claimed by those who justify the invasion and it's not a valid interpretation. Putin gets to invade Ukraine because they want to have defense alliances or economic alliances? That's what you're effectively saying. That's ignoring the fact that it's not the first time Russia has invaded them prior to this. On top of that, now Putin gets to keep whatever he has taken? Ukraine are effectively punished.

You are going to defend any decision that Trump makes, that's the reality. You won't even condemn the fact that the US is voting alongside Belarus, Hungary and North Korea and refuses to condemn the invasion. Everything gets downplayed as if he's some genius, he's not…

I would have thought he would keep his nails better than that. Sorry for bringing up such an of the ball point.

So do you believe that if guarantees that Ukraine will not join NATO, should Russia offer identical non aggression guarantees and retreat back to their pre invasion borders?

This is a yes or no answer please.

"I don't belive the conventional wisdom that Putin is an Imperialist and wishes to expand the Russian Empire. If that were the case why did he engage in peace talks in March 2022, why not continue with his supposed goal ?

It was Biden the warmonger and the US that vetoed that deal and told Zelensky to fight on."

You said that the US are the real war mongers after Russia invaded Ukraine.... Sounds very much so like you're claiming that Russian was invading as a defensive move.

This also conveniently ignores a lot of facts. Russia has committed genocide, Russia kidnapped Ukrainian children, Russia ran propaganda about nuking Western countries, Russia invaded Ukraine and Crimea before that... But your go to reaction is to blame Biden for the war criminal that is Putin....

Please list the Trump decisions that you disagree with

I consider it well within the bounds of possibility that Trump, despite his unusual way of handling national and international affairs, would think it OK for there to be another European war BUT with no US involvement [if he can help it]. He's made it plain that he does NOT want US troops dying in foreign wars outside the US borders.

As for your thinking that Putin has no plans for imperialist entanglements, his Crimean action and his wish to increase the border boundary of Russia to that of an earlier Russia should be enough to persuade any person capable of reading a territorial map that he is recidivist by nature, and he doesn't care about the loss of human life he causes to achieve his aim, hence his invasion of Ukraine. Even the other former USSR republics understand that. Finland understood it well enough to opt out of neutrality for membership of NATO last year.

my aunt used to have a plumber bill every single year at least once to repair her furnace. Just the nature of the house build etc caused it to constantly break down during snow and pipes freezing etc was a nightmare for the whole street.

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/white-house-says-it-will-decide-which-news-outlets-cover-the-president/a982581323.html

Ah no he’s a right fella honestly sure he even decides what outlets allowed report on him now.

Kim Jong Trump at this stage.

It seems to be the materials they use in certain places in America to build houses- all wood frame maybe? Whatever it is, it appears to need ongoing maintenance of one sort or another

Highly qualified worker with years of experience being replaced by 20 year old incel BigBalls69

What can go wrong???