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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Personally I don’t see many reasons why it won’t play out like that - at trumps rallies he tested the water with the crowd using various statements - the ones that didn’t get a great reaction were dumped - the ones that did got used again and again - it’s the same MO here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,483 ✭✭✭circadian


    I post this from time to time, with each passing month it becomes increasingly accurate.

    "Be prepared for the reduction of taxes for the wealthy and corporations, then elemination of the social safety nets for everyone else"

    "Be prepared for the ban on same-sex marraige, abortion and on evolution being taught"

    "Be prepared for religious and racial profiling because you've got to blame someobody for the reduction in civil liberties and public spending"

    "Be prepared for thos poor, dumb, manipulated bastards the Tea Partiers (Now MAGA) to have a glorious few years as the frontmen,as the corporations who bankroll them slowly unroll the total control of our political system. And then be prepared to watch them be banished, when a few of the brighter ones suddenly realise the corporations have made them the Judas goats of American freedom."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Sure, but it would appear that most Republicans in the US are willing to make excuses for it, and so long as they're on board, nothing much is going to change.

    The, what I would call, veil of irony makes it difficult to determine who's doing a Nazi salute as an edgy, humorous statement , and who's doing it in ernest. This is by design.

    To counteract that, you can take an absolutist position of, "I don't care the reason they do it… Anyone doing a Nazi salute is a pig.", but I can imagine a Tucker Carlson rebutting that by saying, "Well, John Cleese did a Nazi salute in Fawlty Towers and he's a beloved figure. Guess some people can't understand irony in these 'woke' times…" This would be perfectly adequate to reassure the base.

    Unpicking that irony defense would be one key of MAGA's undoing. At the moment, MAGA have used it as an excellent way to unite moderates and extremists. Just jokes to the former, a clear signal to the latter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,755 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    "I voted for President Trump three times"

    You got exactly what you voted for luv 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    An Interesting insight into home ownership in America - these houses aren’t at all expensive relatively speaking but appear to be money pits - I’m assuming it’s because of the materials used - property taxes appear to be astronomical as is house insurance if you can get it .

    The house prices aren’t rising much simply because the taxes and other costs are so huge - it’s only a glimpse and not sure how universal across America these experiences are but some food for thought nevertheless - this ultimately impacts what else people can buy after they’ve payed their necessary costs from their monthly wage packets - if this is a widespread experience then the economy has to suffer - and there’s feic all Trump can do about that


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/24/us-home-ownership-mortgage-interest-rates-insurance-premiums



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,661 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I remember hearing about how a lot of contestants on some US home makeover shows ended up having to sell their houses because their taxes and insurances on the house rose so much after the renovations that they couldn't afford it.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,771 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    For sure - There's no end to the expense.

    Over here you buy a house and pay the mortgage for 20/25/30 years whatever it is , but then it's yours and you don't have major costs as you move into Retirement.

    In the US , the Property taxes can be thousands - The average is around 1.5% so if your House is valued at 500K you are paying $7500 a year , every year for ever.

    That's why "Gentrification" is such an issue in the US. A working class person bought their house 15/20 years ago , but now the area is up and coming and the house price doubles so they can no longer afford the Property taxes so they are forces to sell or lose the house.

    And because values have gone up all round they struggle to buy anything else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    In that article I quoted, repair builds appear to be enormous - and one couple earned like 250k a year and we’re still struggling- since you’re in the know, can I ask, what sort of take-home pay would a salary of say -$75k be? In Ireland it would be in the region of eur4300

    To simplify the question would an American bring home more or less? I’m trying to determine is their take home pay much better than ours but then you’re faced with higher costs of everything and many more taxes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,662 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


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    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1886210647907574053

    Feb 3



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,059 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    He didn't say it before, that was the point I was making. Musk might have, but he wasn't running. Trump quickly moved the goalposts after he won. Just like in 2016 when he campaigned on repeal and replace but then admitted that he really didn't have a clue.

    He castigated Biden, and by extension Harris, over inflation and prices and promised they would be coming down. Now he says it's pretty hard. And it works because many can't remember if he did it before or after the election (I'm not sure either btw). It is what Trump is so good at. He can say one thing, get his point across and then simply pivot to another position and people just accept it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,740 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    That's it, though I have a memory of him also sitting across from an iterviewer (Fox?) and saying much the same thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Musk clearly did say it with the endorsement of Trump - before the election - you’d be a fool not to think Trump endorsed what he said - they’re all at one - absolutely no excuses for people “voting for pain”- it was clearly laid out and discussed at length

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna177807

    https://www.vox.com/politics/381637/elon-musk-donald-trump-2024-election-temporary-hardship



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Yeah, that's Trump. That's what he's always done for as long as he's been in politics. And he's never taken to task on it because a sizeable portion of the American electorate worship him as a god-king. Another portion saw him as the only alternative because that is what the US's two-party system kind of ensures will happen, and so they had to give him a pass. Give him one long enough to elect him, at least.

    Once you've cultivated a cult of personality like he has, you can say anything. It's really not hard. What he has done well is work out how to appeal to average Americans on such a fundamental level that they're willing to harm their own interests just to vote him into power.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,797 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Don't think the UK has anything like that. Properly implemented, it could be a good system. There is a local council tax but that's based on property values from the early nineties.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,771 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    In general their gross would be higher and the taxes would vary State to State (some have State level taxes some don't etc.) but even at that the overall tax would be lower.

    A person working for my employer with the same experience as me is probably earning anything up to 25% more than I am depending on location in the US.

    A Higher earner here after deductions etc. is probably paying ~35% tax overall , the equivalent person the the US is probably paying ~25%.

    But.. They are having to pay for stuff that we get for a lot cheaper or even for free as part of our taxes so when you line up the "cost of living" in total the US guys aren't doing as well as the top line numbers might suggest.

    Decent house and you are paying 500/month plus for property taxes , and then House Insurance costs are off the charts in the US , especially if you are living somewhere with a history of extreme weather , I know of colleagues in the US paying 5k/year and more for house insurance. Then you have the biggie - Health Insurance, even if you are covered with a good policy by an employer you are still paying huge sums in premia (10k/annum is not at all uncommon) and even then you are still on the hook for huge excess payments or deductibles as they call them there before the insurers give you a penny.

    The other thing to point out is that if you are a lower paid person , the social supports just aren't there.

    If you are a minimum wage earner here , you get a medical card , you get various other allowances and assistances . You get sick pay if you are out sick , your kids get grants for School/College etc.

    In the US , you get absolutely nothing so the slightest out of the ordinary expense and you are f*cked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    see Apple are planning a 500 billion building infrastructure in the US in the coming years. Naturally Trump is delighted as it fits in with his plan to get American companies back manufacturing in America



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,156 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Thanks - I knew some of the above but interesting to see it all written out in one place - it’s pretty feicing scary when you see the figures.

    I guess they became so paranoid about communism in the 50s they’ve kept a million miles away from being seeing as “helpful” toward their citizens ever since



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭bmc58




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,657 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    US have now voted against a UN resolution condemning Russia for the invasion of Ukraine. This is pretty much the what if scenario where the US sides with the Nazis.

    So outside of endless executive orders, he's made a point of calling for ethnic cleansing, extorting an invaded nation and refusing to condemn the invader. But Kamala and Joe were the warmongers, right?



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,771 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    What a sad pathetic , petty excuse for a man he is..

    This is a guy that some people think is a "strong leader" ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,907 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Has there been any SCOTUS announcement about the Judge Berman Jackson decision to temporarily set aside the sacking of special counsel Hampton Dellinger after Acting solicitor general Harris asked it to rule on the judges order as it had ruled that the president had immunity when carrying out official duties and the judge's order was "preventing him from exercising these powers thus inflicts the gravest of injuries on the Executive Branch and the separation of powers.".

    A neighbour, in passing, told me a few minutes back, that SCOTUS had told Trump he was liable for prosecution over the Jan 6th event. If it did, it seems to me that would infer his actions were outside the extent SCOTUS saw as official duties.

    Mind you, I have no idea how the neighbour heard about his SCOTUS decision info and reckon it may be something garbled in transmission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Yeah, I had suggested before that Trump might try to pivot to this as and when certain US industries hit the alarm bell due to a chronic shortage of immigrant labour who they can pay well below the odds in order to keep overheads down.

    Pretty much the Saudi Kafala system. Contracts which put immigrants in legal bondage to an employer. A dramatically reduced suite of rights compared to a US citizen. And best of all for MAGA, limited periods of stay. Between 6 months and ten years, say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,675 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Even Jon Stewart is calling out the ridiculous and hysterical overaction to Trumps first month in office.

    He even coins the phrase Trumpodynamics, every action is met with a very not equal over reaction, submissive liberal crying 101.

    He correctly says that Trumps most objectionable actions have taken place within the Democratic system. It is his constitutional power to do what he has done.

    The people voted to give the Republicans control of Congress, Control of the Senate and they also voted for trump.

    The "This is all fascism" has become a reflex reaction for the left.

    Nice to see Jon throw Rachel Maddow under the bus.

    The utter hysteria and chicken little hysterical over reacting needs to stop, its the boy who cried wolf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,156 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    One issue where hypocrisy has been exposed on the left is the renaming of military bases and the "Gulf of America".

    The left side of the Democrats was all for renaming buildings, bases, tearing down statues etc.

    When the other side does it they get offended. What's good for the goose is not good for the gander.

    You could say the same about President Higgins here. The left lap up his interfering precedents here. When you gently point out to them that someone might one day be in that office that doesn't agree with their view of the world and would use those precedents they endorsed they tend to avoid it and go quiet.

    The Democrats need to focus on the real world implications of Trump and to be fair they are starting to that.

    It's more likely his support turns against him than the Democrats making inroads though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,657 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    It's somewhat telling that you're not saying a word about Trump and Russia.... The US refuse to condemn Russia invading Ukraine, in the last month the US has had multiple bleak days in their history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    The Gulf of Mexico isn't a statue or a military base, they're renaming international water and bitching about it when other countries, some of whom have coastlines on the Gulf of Mexico.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,797 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Wrong.

    The right has a temper tantrum when someone wants to rename a street named after a slave-trader or remove a monument to a slave-owning Confederate general but they're happy to rename some body of water for no reason at all. All this really does is prove that the American right worship white supremacy. The hypocrisy is once again exclusively on the right.

    You've further proven your point with your drivel about President Higgins.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,079 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I was starting to worry you were gone a long time. Nice you are back for a neutral viewpoint.

    Mod - warned for uncivil posting

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭kyote00


    back from holiday with a suitcase of rubles😅

    Mod - warned for uncivil posting

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


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