Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

To get them and the PET plastics into a stream for processing separated from the general contents of green bins. They get better results that way.

The reason is they are valuable.

And now we are paying higher wheelie bin collection charges because of their inclusion.

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There's no money to be made in just collecting plastics.

I'm alright Jack.

The only person in the country who hasn't had a bin collection charge increase since Re-turn started. And always pushing the media reports on collection rates under the scheme. Curious!

And not the only broken promise involved in this.

We were told prior to launch (on a number of radio and TV appearances) by those pushing the scheme that outlets like Dunnes/Tesco and others who provide home deliveries would be bringing in a method of engaging with DRS for their customers who were homebound or who shopped from home. Nadda done in this area absolutly nada. I am sure there were many other falsehoods provided.

I am looking forward to the collection statistics - the full ones - when they are released. It is ironic that the scheme was setup to allow better counting of items collected versus sold, yet we've not been given the full picture on this almost a year in!

You can forget about ever getting a GP appointment or a school place as well.

Yeah, I know. I should have phrased my question "Why were the cans included in this scheme if plastics are the big problem, eh?".

No, that has been said about the PET plastics, not the cans. It's just down to greed.

Among previous factors in increases was government mandated increases in landfill etc costs.

It has been pointed out repeatedly on the thread that Return themselves list the sale of recyclables as one of their actual sources of revenue. A figure of approx. €15 million was mentioned in the media by bodies representing refuse companies.

You have no credible or coherent response. Somehow you expect Return to pocket these monies, depriving waste companies of those funds without it having ANY impact on the bottom line of refuse companies.

Just because previous increases were due to other factors, it can in no way demonstrate that current increases aren't DRS related. Just nonsense about greed and profits from some fantasy land where refuse companies aren't private companies. There's an argument to be made that refuse collection should be run on a different basis, but in the real world today, they are. If they lose revenue, if costs go up, you can expect prices to go up as well.

RE: Price increases

Has anyone received a letter (from any business) notifying them of a price increase and then stating a specific reason.

IE; We are giving top management a 50% pay raise so your bin charges unfortunately must be increased!

A slight positive update, I noticed last week a Lidl DRS receipt had text saying it can be cashed/used/put on gift card at any Lidl store.

Tried it twice in the last few days and it works fine, so that's Lidl and Tesco that have an 'integrated' DRS system so far.

A scam is the intent to deceive people for money. How is it a scam if the "rules" are clearly laid out to all? It's like saying that cheap flights with Ryanair is a scam because they charge you if you don't follow the terms and conditions!

Some people that aren't able to abide by those rules. Ya know, like the people I outlined in the post you replied to but didn't really understand.

Re-Turn make it deliberately difficult to claim back your money because their machines are absolute shite. The one nearest me is, literally, pot luck on whether it's working on a given day. I've lost count the number of times I've seen it out of order in the first year of this nonsense and I'm not the only one with that experience.

Plus, and I'll repeat it because you obviously didn't get it the first time, the old, the infirm and the handicapped are inconvenienced to an even greater degree because they can't get out to a machine in the first place and that's increased if they live in a rural place. Re-Turn couldn't give a crap and they're happy to keep the money that people aren't able to claim back.

This so called "scheme" could have been introduced with electronic payments that the consumer could use to instantly claim THEIR MONEY. But that would have been far too easy and Re-Turn wouldn't be able to keep the amount of money that they currently do.

Your Ryanair comparison doesn't apply.

How are they keeping track then of the 25% in the bottles laser etching on the barcode or bottle ? Sounds exactly like return and government basically trust us. IIRC it's 5-7 times it can be partially recycled. Where is the rest going ? land fill in Indonesia ? Class idea spend carbon to recycle carbon less efficiently each time then spend some more carbon shipping it to another countries landfill. Why not just incinerate it here.

The question on everyone's lips is the entire stats being released. I Guarente they will never be under the guise of commercial sensitivity even though it's and entire monopoly. And on the other end if they were favorable they would be screaming them from the roof tops already.

No offence but should the gov or return not be telling us this in the first place. Reminds me of Irish water all over again. Why do we need it. Well it's centralized and will make savings. Did they not hire staff for IW and then take in all the council staff also ? so no savings there. Again If IW was working they would be screaming how great it is and not rename it and pretend we are goldfish. It's almost like something was afoot like there is in Return. Does the Government have direct access to Return and it's accounts were the money is actually going.