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130kmph instead of 120kmph on motorway

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭quantum_technician


    Wrong, they know better than to engage in knee jerk reactions to hysterical interpretations of findings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,412 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Not entirely sure how you are filtering countries. Seems random. You could debate who to include or who to exclude. I debate the "most" Seems about evenly split between 120 and lower and 130 and higher. Many of those with 130 and higher actually have lower limits on "most" roads and conditions.

    Country

    Speed

    Croatia

    130

    Bulgaria

    140

    Poland

    140

    Turkey

    140

    BosniaHerzegovina

    130

    CzechRepublic

    130

    Denmark

    130

    France

    130

    Germany

    130

    Greece

    130

    Hungary

    130

    Lithuania

    130

    Luxembourg

    130

    Netherlands

    130

    Romania

    130

    Serbia

    130

    Slovenia

    130

    Ukraine

    130

    Belarus

    120

    Belgium

    120

    Estonia

    120

    Finland

    120

    Ireland

    120

    Italy

    120

    Latvia

    120

    NorthMacedonia120

    120

    Portugal

    120

    Spain

    120

    Sweden

    120

    Switzerland

    120

    UnitedKingdom

    112

    Georgia

    110

    Norway

    110

    Cyprus

    100

    Gibraltar

    70

    Besides which sit at 120 on Irish motorways and you will be frequently overtaken. So the limit is moot if its not enforced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭Big Gerry


    You would save even more lives if you just ban cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭kirving


    In over 10 years of doing the exact same 220km M4/M6 (and later M17) commute, I don't ever remember averaging more than 105km/h, if even that tbh.

    2km of Dublin traffic on one end, or a Bus Eireann bus stopped in town causing traffic on the other end will add more time than 130km/h will ever make up for.

    It's not that 130km/h is in itself dangerous, but it's the **** who then add on their 10% " speed camera grace" (143km/h), and then proceed to aggressive tailgate anymore who doesn't overtake a truck as quickly as they like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,465 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    No, people are mostly aware of that. Where your proposal falls down is that when you actually think it through, you find it will deliver almost no travel-time advantage for a lot of expenditure. Where VSLs are implemented, the travel-time advantages come from lowering speeds during congestion, not raising them. A VSL algorithm will only apply the highest speed-limit when there’s almost nobody on the road, so pretty much by definition, this new speed limit would benefit almost nobody.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭steinbock123


    I genuinely believe that if there were no speed limits on the so called “motorways” in this country, that the majority of drivers would drive between 120 and maybe 135 KPH anyway. There would of course be some that would be driving their Porsches and BMWs as fast as possible, but I’ve driven extensively in Germany, and on unrestricted sections of their autobahns, with no speed limits, the majority cruise at reasonable speed, difference being that they don’t have to worry about police fining them if they speed up a little to pass a slow moving truck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    I was doing 120 the other day in a 120 zone. I pulled into the slow lane and came up on a car that was doing 60 or 70.

    If I was going any faster would have slammed into the back of them.

    Overtook them looked into the car and noticed they were watching a large screen while driving. Maybe watching a movie. This is one of the reasons I don't speed to often. Absolute selfish fuckkn dopes on the road. I wouldn't mind 130 but you will have gobshites like that making it dangerous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,412 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Why not just overtake them in the lane you were in???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,412 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    In Germany they mostly follow the rules it's in their cultural psychology. They also enforce it. So it's an not a valid comparison.

    In Ireland following rules not so much. A lot drive 20-30 over the posted limit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    That's probably true, wouldn't affect the speed that most travel at.

    Sadly our motorways are a very poor relation of what they build in Germany, there's more twists and turns, poor surfaces, no crash barriers in the median strip etc.

    The biggest thing is that there's a large cohort of drivers on the roads who are on their 5th and 6th provisional licences, or those who got the driving licence after a quick 30 mins test drive around the local neighbourhood..Many older drivers never got formal driving lessons either and just got brought around the local roads by a parent or older sibling. Irish drivers aren't trained on motorways or dual carriageways as part of the test either…the most difficult part of the Irish driving test is the "Reverse around the corner" … most experienced Irish drivers would fail the German driving test if they had to do it now..

    And let's not talk about the rising numbers of drivers who received a driving "licence" from a distant country and who haven't a breeze about the rules of the road here..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Not a comparable example due to the very very lenient requiremenst to obtain a FULL drivers license in the US.

    If the US had even some of the same requirements we have to get a full license their would be violent protests on the streets lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,412 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It's not older drivers causing the vast majority of accidents, let's not keep trotting that out everytime. The rest of it maybe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Certainly not! For instance, the outside lane of M roads is often stacked up with "N" plate drivers merrily cruising along whilst the other 1 - 2 lanes are free… And these are drivers who have had to take at least 10 hours of driving instruction and a theory test..so what hope do those who haven't any formal lessons or theory tests have of being safe on higher speed roads..?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,375 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    First off - it would help if the existing limits were enforced properly.

    A couple of stretches of motorway policed by a few km of av speed cameras is not sufficient to make any changes. If av speed gantries were put every 15 km on most motorways to check speed, insurance, NCT, and Motor Tax, then compliance would go to near 100% for all four checks.

    Now, it is 150 Km from Birdhill to Naas so only 11 gantries required for each direction - so not a lot. Fifty gantries would cover 75% of Ireland's 900 Km of motorways. Now some economy could be achieved by having the gantries further apart on less busy routes like the M6 west of Athlone, but do the M1, M4, M5, M7, M8, M11, and M50 first.

    Just tackling the insurance, NCT and motor tax would be a fantastic benefit for changing the attitudes of drivers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,412 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    People don't excessively speed only on one stretch of road. It's a habit. That'll do it everywhere. So it's a culture or habit of speeding that's needs to addressed.

    I doubt anyone wanting to do 130 and no more is actually getting caught that often. Probably 130 indicated is 120 on the GPS.

    You just see too many doing 120+ already to believe it's being enforced in any numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Just a quick point on that…. Pretty sure that new cars, especially those with digital dashboards are precise with the speed displayed, a 10kph discrepancy would maybe apply to quite an older model car…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,465 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    You’re correct about the standards of testing, but it’s irrelevant, unless those licencing standards where loosened at the same time (they weren’t). The US fatality rate was already far higher than ours, but it’s the change in the rate that matters here.

    There was no change in licencing, no change in driving population, and the period pre-dates the use of smartphones (a major cause of highway accidents). Meanwhile, cars got a little safer, and seat-belt adoption increased. Everything in the country stayed the same or improved in terms of safety, except that the permitted speed increased… and traffic fatalities went up (by every measure). Unless you can show a better reason for this increase in accidents, then the lifting of the limit is the most probable cause of it. Objectively, the measure made driving a more dangerous activity.

    There is no “US” driving licence. Licence testing is done independently by the states: some states used to be good, but most are far too lenient by our standards. But the reason you can no longer change those “good state” licences for an Irish one isn’t because their testing now sucks, it’s because all states now allow a no-retest exchange of licences from any other state (Unlike the EU, you cannot drive on an out-of-state licence for very long in the USA). So, as we can’t tell if, for example, a Massachusetts license holder actually sat the (acceptable) MA driving test rather than the (stupidly easy) Ohio or Oklahoma one, we stopped accepting any US State licence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,412 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    I would be in favour of lowering the limit on motorways to 110 KPH.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭GPoint


    People are bad drivers as they are never mind allowing them going 130 kmh on the motorways. Won’t happen unfortunately. This is no France here or Germany where they know how to drive on motorways.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,579 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i'd be curious about that. GPS can be patchy - the obvious example being in a tunnel. i suspect they still read directly off the wheel too, but would be curious as whether a method of reading speed is legally mandated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    I'd second that, but just on the section of M50 to/from the Airport M1 interchange to Sandyford exit! :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    There was a car up my ass with those bright fuckin led lights So indicated into the other lane. It was a very dark stretch of road at night time obviously. U wouldn't be expecting a car to be going that slow in a 120 zone.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,579 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    you need to be able to anticipate a car stopped in a 120 zone! let alone one doing what was actually over half the speed you were doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭quantum_technician


    Those silly Germans and French with their 130kmph speed limit. You need to drop them a letter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,412 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I think it estimates speed between two points. If it's a tunnel I'd be using Cruise control if I had it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,412 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Theres is irony about complaining about lights and slow speed when you were holding someone up and perhaps need to upgrade to those lights.

    I'd point out that some vehicles are legally limited to slower speeds on motorways and legal on a motorway. You should always anticipate them.

    Expecting everyone to be at 120 is flawed. In indeed in your example only one car of 3 was at 120.

    If you think I'm ragging on you I'm not. It's just pointing out some details of your scenario. Worth a review.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    I was pulling in to let him go. he was behind me 30 seconds maybe . I don't give a feck if he does 200 k I'm not one of those who hold people up.

    I do hate those led lights tho. They should be banned. You will notice them more on the country roads.they cut the eyesy out of you. They are on about banning them in the UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,727 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    As you say this a good reason not to have increased speed limits on motorways. The safe drivers won't go any faster, but the unsafe,unaware drivers or those not observing the traffic ahead of them, or whose journey is more important than others will. That less time to react and more incidents at higher speeds,

    If you were going at 120kph and about to overtake a significanttly slower car in the inside lane, I dont understand why you pulled in behind them at speed.

    As described it, it sounds like you endangered yourself and occupants of another vehicle, to allow a bully pass you. You should never change lanes unless it's safe to do so, and that includes when you have someone come up behind you like you describe.

    Maybe you over dramatise it but it sounds to me like driving without due care and attention.

    Note there are no slow and fast lanes on a motorway. Inside lane is the driving lane and outside lanes are overtaking lanes only, not driving lanes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    If we were to do this then we'd need to update the signage on every motorway in Ireland and you'd have the same people who were advocating for increasing the speed limit complaining about the government wasting money.



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