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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,408 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    If Zelensky was corrupt, a grifter, on the make etc, wouldn't he nearly favour a 'peace deal' with the billionaires Trump and Putin? The bots go through all sorts of mental contortions to justify their stance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,401 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    50% of Russia’s ammunition now comes from supplies from the DPRK, — Budanov

    Gonna get messy when they burn through the NK stockpiles although South Korea will be glad to see it reduced. Budanov reckon Russia needs to get out of this war by 2026.

    And good news from Germany. Merz better live up to his promises for Ukraine! I want to see 4 or 5 Taurus smash into the Kerch bridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,133 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭REDBULL68


    The us deal with Ukraine on minerals could well be the handy out for Russia, well planned I think, us and Ukraine mining personnel together, deal done .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭poop emoji




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭Field east


    looks like Ireland . The two ‘establishment’ parties put back in power. And SF increased its vote - over the last no of years to a significant level but it has hit a ceiling recently and probably stuck at the t for the foreseeable future



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭Field east


    But where is the border. That seems to be always the elephant in the room



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Brilliant news for Ukraine

    Unlike his weasel of a predecessor whom flipped flopped from inaction to incompetence, this guy has been for month very strong on subject of helping Ukraine

    more importantly the far right neo Nazi Russian party from ex Russian colony of DDR is being kept out, Musk shouldn’t have stuck his snout into elections in another country all he did was as predicted

    Putin and Trump gambled everything in last few weeks on the wrong horse in Germany



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I'm hoping that continued noises and statements of European solidarity with Ukraine will continue, and will have an effect.

    Putin knows that he hasn't got forever, and that if the US ultimatly fail to stop Europe from supportong Kiev, then the relief that Russia desperatly needs isn't going to happen.

    Even if the US lift their santions on Russia, it won't help them much if Europe still refuse to purchase Russian energy. If the US stop arming Ukraine (more a question of "when"), then they're down to about half of what was coming before. But that's still enough to ensure that the Russians cannot disengage from Ukraine. Add also the growing domestic weapons production within Ukraine itself.

    Students of history will know that the key element that the US provided to the defeat of the Nazis was their production capacity. Ukraine are building this up and Europe are adding to it, while the Russians are trying retrofit ancient equipment.

    Ukriane and Europe can outlast the Russians in this. It might still take time, but it can be done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    No more scholzing hopefully. Will he have much say as a junior coalition partner?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,525 ✭✭✭RedXIV


    Delighted to hear about the German elections this morning and hopefully this is the continuation of an EU focused consolidation.

    That coupled with the surprising news of Ireland sending weapons systems to Ukraine, has made me feel a bit more positive. (But this feels like a first step really in where Ireland needs to be in terms of revamping our defense systems)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    TBH it’s not a difficult political problem

    1. Main EU leaders (forget about Ireland, Hungary and Austria) and those directly in line for future Russian aggression and UK and Canada get together and say “We stand behind Ukraine and will support them until the Russians turn around and go home”
    2. Ignore all the noises from US, the orange clown will move onto some other outrage in a week or so, probably checking genitalia of people before they enter toilets or something, leaving status of US involvement in NATO ambiguous
    3. Start digging into the Russian 300bn that’s still untouched to help Ukraine
    4. Directly target Russian propaganda whom are spreading “concerns” which plays to the far left of “oh look they spending on military instead of social causes” by saying to people of Europe we are gonna spend Russian own money to fight the biggest threat to Europe which is Russia
    5. Make it clear to population that each euro spent on helping Ukraine is better than having to goto a war economy when next EU country is invaded, and invaded it will be of Ukraine falls
    6. Ramp up more sanctions, Russia thinks they can leave Europe from the table yet forget that it’s Europe and not US whom made their fortunes for them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,486 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    It seemed to suit most countries involved just to “prop up” Ukraine - we can see what happened when America wanted a specific outcome, such as Gaza- there was no begging, the military aid was forthcoming. This could have happened in Ukraine too had the will been there- Europe ignored the obvious consequences of not supporting Ukraine enough - too little and too late. I don’t know WTF they were thinking but this present situation was very predicable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    But still Russia has the upper hand militarily, every single respectable media outlet agrees on this, the Ukrainians basically admit as much, and all the sneering in the world doesn't change it.

    Reasons include things like this:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Been thinking more about the hole Russian propagandists have dug themselves into

    They spent years, decades even, on building up a myth that “Russia big, Russia stronk, Russia endless equipment and manpower” despite all the evidence to contrary

    But the very same fear (and fear is a strong motivator to tap into) can be used against them, no longer European countries in vague terms refer to “adversaries” every single one is pointing at this war and Russia and clearly identifying them as hostile, and of course Russian politicians and tv in their stupidity continue to threaten everyone including even this country

    The propagandists been tripping over themselves celebrating the brainfarts of the US clown in chief, but what has it resulted in concrete terms on the ground? Nothing but hot air at the best, uniting Europe and losing them German elections at worst



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,880 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    If the US stop arming Ukraine (more a question of "when"), then they're down to about half of what was coming before. But that's still enough to ensure that the Russians cannot disengage from Ukraine.

    Can you be absolutely sure of that? a stalemate or state of grinding progress for one side can turn into a rout very quickly in war if the balance of forces changes substantially within a brief period…

    Ukriane and Europe can outlast the Russians in this. It might still take time,

    But will they get that time? Looking like they might have to fill the gap left by a sudden American plug-pull in a matter of months or even weeks…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭zv2


    That's what happens when perfumed politicians are making the decisions and not military experts.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    You ask about balance of forces, are you expecting Russians to suddenly become more numerous, dig out equipment out of somewhere and become smarter?

    Aren’t you just making a variation of “Russia hasn’t tried hard enough, wait and see” argument that’s regularly trotted out.

    Despite all the noise in the last week in media the situation on ground is same, if anything it looks like slow Russian advances have come to a complete halt now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,880 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Well the big difference will be if and when Ukraine are deprived of all the kit they are currently getting from the Americans. Once that filters through to the frontlines yes I do expect the Russians to step up their efforts, mobilise everything they've got in a bid to press home their advantage and secure a quick victory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭Rawr


    It is true that it wouldn't take much for a rout on either side, but the key to all of this is keeping the AFU frontline supplied with everything they need to exhaust Russian meatwave attacks. That most involves the basics in terms of daily supplies, but also small round ammo.

    The meatwaves are designed to use up the AFU's rounds. You get severely injured or underqualified Russians being sent against prepared AFU positions because the Russian commanders know that these troops are intended to be little more than bullet recepticles. This is the main reason the AFU end up having to pull back. They can't hold a position without bullets, and so they have to pull back to the next supply line. HIMARs, and Bradleys and F16s of course help, but it's the bullets that will keep Ukraine in the fight, and it's the bullets that Europe can definatly keep them equipped with. (Amoung all of the other advanced weaponry that is available).

    In regards to "time". Keep in mind that Europe had already been planing for the contingency of a hostile Trump White House. There might be press-talk of "shock" and "panic" and "ringing of hands", but I suspect that little of this came as a surprise and that the positions we're seeing European countries taking now, are positions that many of them assumed they would have to take anyway if Trump had won in 2024. They might have been a degree of hope that Trump would be less of a poodle to Putin, maybe even helpful to the cause, but I suspect that his current actions are what had been expected for a while.

    Ukraine of course are going to have a harder time of it, but with support or relief the Russians have it much harder. If Trump fails to do anything substantive to actually help the Russians beyond "talks" and bluster about Zelensky…their window for enduring this conflict is potentially much shorter than Ukraine's



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭zv2


    @Loafing Oaf "yes I do expect the Russians to step up their efforts, mobilise everything they've got"

    Well they've already done that and it is not enough. They lose a trainload of vehicles every day in Ukraine.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,069 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Around 85% of all damage being inflicted by Ukraine is coming from the use of drones, and they now have the capacity to manufacture 4 million drones a year. Trump can cease assistance but those numbers would suggest it wont render Ukraine anything like toothless.

    Putrid got agent Krasnov to do this whole BS 'peace' thing because his fiefdom is in dire straits and their economy is teetering. If any country in Europe gets brave enough to put their planes in the air in Ukraine, such as the UK who were first with tanks, the tide will change in Ukraine's favour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭omega man


    Did I hear right that Canada are using seized Russian assets to assist Ukraine? Pretty sure Trudeau said it earlier at the summit in Kyiv.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,408 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Ironically, a fair bit of good might come out of Trump and Musk going rogue and going over to the dark side. It's helping the EU / Europe to redefine itself and find a new place for itself in the global order. Minds are being focussed and inertia is going out the window. Certainly, many mistakes were made re. Ukraine in the last three years, but that is forgivable….there was so much uncertainty in the first year after the invasion and people were very unclear what the long term outlook was or what the strategy should be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,230 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Didnt Biden do the same thing??

    Give Ukraine a massive loan, which was secured against Russian assets, so in the event of the loan not being paid back (the intention), the lender would recoup their outlay from the Russian assets (which were now 'frozen' as collateral against the loan, so Trump simply couldn't 'give them back')



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,230 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


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    those consequences of course being Donkey’s now being used by Russia on the frontline, which is miles behind their frontline 3 years ago…

    All bluster, and the fecked up thing is people are still afraid of him!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,069 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    It's a welcome change, but the missiles would have been better. Zelensky says he recently was informed of a patriot battery tracking 8 missiles and drones while not having any missiles to fire at them.

    Zelensky mentioned asking for a PAC-3 manufacturing licence to make their own, but Putrid would never allow that, so I think they should just go ahead and make them anyway, though the lead time might be considerable, if the EU helped, it might be practical. Israel stole the plans for the Mirage when France wouldn't sell them and made them themselves. Israel is still there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Unfortunately, I'd say they were planning for Trump to cut all the aid at worst (and make Europe/UK/Ukraine pay for things instead), not for this invective against and extortion of Ukraine + romancing of Russian dictatorship combined with a pull back from NATO that the US seems to be doing.

    Could be looking at (going by the noises) an end to sanctions and even business deals with Putin etc. I am fearing the US sanctions are going to be lifted, no matter what happens with the war.

    I worry the Trump admin won't even care whether Russia has stopped attacking Ukraine or not! After all, didn't Ukraine/"dictator" Zelenskyy start it and are to blame etc.?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    It is the European (or Eurozone?) countries that hold almost all of it as far as I understand, so don't think Trump can "give it back" to Putin as a favour anyway. Biden and maybe UK as well were pushing for it to be seized a few months ago, but the Eurozone members of G7 didn't want to do that (I think they are taking the interest to help pay for support to Ukraine).



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