Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Knowing our govt, they will make them Irish citizens

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Sorry this was meant for the Ukrainian thread.

Germany election exit poll suggests the conservatives have crushed the current government with nearly 30% of the votes. This should be good for Ukraine if they practice what they preached regarding military aid.

The AFD doubled their vote to 20% who'd likely be more pro Russia but won't be in government. Although after doubling their vote expect whatever government that forms to crack down on immigration from countries where it's not really working out. This should stabilise Germany somewhat and stop them playing into Russia's propaganda policy of weaponizing immigration.

I'm feeling positive about this result so far but we'll know more tomorrow.

And where exactly are they all going to live?

Irish politicians long ago acknowledged that a sizeable proportion of Ukrainians will be staying in Ireland win, lose or draw the war.

The usual BS about "putting down roots" that is justification for all sorts getting to stay.

In houses paid by the Irish taxpayer of course.

Having fled their homeland, where life continues as normal for the majority, and bypassed the entirety of Europe to settle in the land of generous handouts and weak enforcement, our Ukrainian settlers, and others claiming to be Ukrainian, are going nowhere.

It's not about the war. Ukrainian migration to Ireland was all about economic opportunism, not refuge.

Project 2040 means huge immigration numbers. Means huge demand for flights all over the world.

The climate crisis and the green party immigration policy are totally at odds with each other

But our govt has tried to impose caps on airport numbers

They also are taxing us into oblivion with carbon taxes, extortionate energy prices etc.

At The same time they are inviting anyone and everyone into the country with promises of homes etc.

The greens want climate action. They also championed mass immigration.

There will always be some who call those who protest against state policy the slur du jour. Do you not remember the water charges protestors being described as the Taliban?

Well I think Left vs Right is usually a short hand way of describing people's views on a certain topic. Most people fall into shades in between, and can lean more Left or Right on different topics. I think in common parlance it's pretty understood now that in an immigration discussion the concept of Left is being more open to immigration and the concept of Right is being more opposed to it. That doesn't mean that someone who leans Left on that topic is invariably Left on all things.

I think there is a difference between people who use the terms in that manner (ie, topic-by-topic) than those who use the terms "the Left" and "the Right" as broad brushstrokes that are intended to say that people are invariably one or the other.

I like the use of percentage increases on these minuscule numbers in that article:

From article: "The number of enforced deportations so far this year has increased by 50pc for the same period in 2024 with 12 carried out by February 7, 2025, compared with eight up to February 9, 2024".

I'm surprised they didn't use that in the headline: "Minister gets tough on illegal migration: Deportations up 50 percent!"

Well I imagine for the same reasons as the terms Left and Right ever became used in the first place — they became short hand terms used as a way of making sense of the much more complex socioeconomic and political environment that arose from the emergence of 'power to the people' movements such as communism, whereby millions of people became increasingly self aware of their own sense of opinion and agency and the variety of human political theory exploded exponentially.

In the years that have followed, higher standards of learning and welfare (and the internet) mean that the complexity and breadth of opinions held by people have gone beyond things like bread on the table, anti-imperialism etc. We have become globalised and we view things at both a wider perspective and a deeper perspective across topics like the economy, society, climate, technology, sexuality, freedom, privacy, artificial intelligence etc etc.

Left vs Right has just been expanded to meet that wider arc of topics discussed by the ordinary person today.

But sure "the Left" is used all the time by commentators and politicians and indeed posters on here to describe anyone who is liberal or pro-migraton or at least non-alarmist about migration. The antithesis of the very things you say there are often the things which those self-identifiying or labelled as being on "the Right" usually hold up as their virtues — ie, the Left are overly empathetic in a delusional and destructive way while the Right's perceived lack of empathy is simply the realism required to protect our society.

The term "the Left" is just as often trotted out as a derisory catch all term for deluded, liberal, hipsters who think there should be special toilets for people who identify as ducks. This stuff cuts both ways.

The right think the left are wrong, the left think the right are evil.

In immigration news. Another city centre building being ear marked as an asylum centre.

https://x.com/griptmedia/status/1893989543906328922