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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • #1472
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123194001#Comment_123194001

    Who is too stupid to get his point?

    And please elucidate me on what his actual point of make crime illegal was?

    I imagine he thought it was catchy and gave it no further thought than that!



  • #1473
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123194148#Comment_123194148

    I'd imagine the point of "make crime illegal" was simply a catchy way to say "make criminals actually pay for their crimes rather than the very lax way in which we treat most crimes at present".

    I did think it was quite obvious.



  • #1474
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Make crime illegal works as a slogan because of our criminal justice systems absolute failure to deal with often violent crime over the last couple of decades.

    While this isn't directly linked to immigration (unless an immigrant commits a crime of course) the logic behind it in a country where people with prior conviction numbers routinely close to or surpassing triple digits rarely spend anything resembling a length of time inside a prison that could be considered to be a deterrent towards committing more crimes in the future.

    Where there's some validity to including this in a discussion around immigration is mod snip, as we are already oversubscribed with violent thugs of our own we should be only accepting new arrivals who will not join in with the chaos already present this country.

    If someone can rationalise how Ireland is actually doing a good job of dealing with criminal behaviour I'd be happy to give their argument attention, but we all know that we have a plethora of scumbags walking our streets who in most countries would be locked up for decades for the crimes they've committed, even murder can result in sentences where offenders serve less than two decades in prison. We need to be tougher on crime across the board and I can't conceive of a well thought out argument to the contrary that isn't based in some wooly left wing waffle that doesn't hold up to the most basic level of scrutiny.

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  • #1475
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123194197#Comment_123194197

    So the essentially you think he wanted to say.

    Actual Punishment for Crimes

    Real Punishment for crimes

    Jail for people who commit crime

    et etc etc

    Where as make crime illegal is stupid because something is only a crime if it is an offence, i.e. illegal.

    Ps: it obviously isn't a good slogan because it did not result in a positive election campaign for him. Which ultimately was its purpose. So it was a failure.



  • #1476
    Necro
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,978 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: Can we move on from Nick Delahunty and his slogan now please? It's not connected to the thread topic bar a tenuous link through a video posted. No need to go on and on about it for pages, particularly when most of the above posts have absolutely nothing to do with immigration

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling, State Benefits



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  • #1477
    hawley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭hawley


    Mod Edit: Warned for discussion of matters before the courts, blatantly ignoring multiple mod instructions re: same

    Post edited by Necro on

    Communication was the greatest fatality



  • #1478
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,570 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123194148#Comment_123194148

    I'm not a racist and think it's a clever slogan, our prisons are full and we're dishing out suspended sentences.



  • #1479
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,752 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Mod Edit: Warned for discussion of matters before the courts, blatantly ignoring multiple mod instructions re: same

    Post edited by Necro on


  • #1480
    tom23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭tom23


    Mod Edit: Warned for discussion of matters before the courts, blatantly ignoring multiple mod instructions re: same

    Post edited by Necro on


  • #1481
    Mike Murdock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123195086#Comment_123195086

    Until the Irish Penal Reform Trust NGO is defunded, there will be no new large prisons built in this country.



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  • #1482
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,017 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123193542#Comment_123193542

    I can quite simply but tbh not worth the effort .

    Believe what ye want .

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  • #1483
    niallm77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Astonishing amounts of money being wasted on what is ultimately not our problem. Time out government started governing Ireland

    If they are not eligible for asylum, stop housing them and stop providing for them and this sham ends.

    https://twitter.com/Toibin1/status/1893030040972980659?t=pkbDboKpkC4-p0lzrMeOtA&s=19


  • #1484
    _Quilombero_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭_Quilombero_


    We're housing 5-6000 of people with refugee status who cannot or will not leave State-funded accommodation. No more obligations to house them once their applicaitons have been decided, but we're still providing them with housing, food, laundry, transport, and whatever other services theyre getting at those sites - no contributions from the inividual even if theyre working



  • #1485
    Headshot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123199588#Comment_123199588

    The country could use more politicians like Peadar Tóibín. Do I agree with Aontú on abortion, god no but there's much bigger issues in this country and that's immigration and Aontú are the only party that speaks up against this fecking madness

    It feels like not a day goes by and another IPAS center is opening or there's a proposal underway, it's absolute sickening

    All this is just enticing more and more to come



  • #1486
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Deleted

    Post edited by Mr. teddywinkles on


  • #1487
    niallm77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123200061#Comment_123200061

    Yes Obligations to people eligible to seek asylum. Not to the vast majority (80% this year) who are not eligible.



  • #1488
    creeper1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Tobin is useless as well. He uses language such as "those that deserve it are the only ones that should get asylum" as if Ireland was a natural choice from someone fleeing south Africa or Nigeria.

    Nothing more than a complete halt will do at this stage. It really is out of control.

    The new justice minister says "too many people are applying for asylum"

    I welcome the change of language now let's see some actions.

    State spending in this surged to one billion last year!

    Obviously not sustainable.

    Let the records show that Mary Lou and Pearce Doherty loudly complained about spending on the children's hospital but remained silent on this a far, far , far worse scandal.

    Ireland has already suffered irreversible damage.



  • #1489
    rgossip30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,853 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    The last prison to be built in Ireland was Cloverhill in 1999 population was 3.75 million .

    The plans to build a new prison at Thornton Hall was shelved in 2019 on the basis if prison places were there they would be filled among others .

    No mention of population increase how does this rather illogical reason continue to exist given that the population is now almost 5.4 million 1 of whom are immigrants.

    The Thornton hall site now is used to accommodate asylum seekers in tents . The overall costs of asylum seekers and Ukrainians is 1.43 billion first 9 months of 2024 and rising .

    When will a prison ever be built?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

    https://www.iprt.ie/achievements/case-study-1-thornton-hall-super-prison/

    Post edited by rgossip30 on


  • #1490
    zell12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,046 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Do failed IPAs get a payment if they do a 'voluntary return' to leave State?

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/twelve-people-removed-from-state-so-far-this-year-in-enforced-deportations/a899464223.html


  • #1491
    maebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭maebee


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14416593/Irish-migrant-powder-keg-Far-right-militias-rise-asylum-seekers-violence-machete-attacks-drug-brawls-Dublin.html?ico=comment-anchor#comments

    Not good.



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  • #1492
    Damien360
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,364 ✭✭✭Damien360


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123201992#Comment_123201992

    Ah the ole far right boogey man. When politicians refuse to listen to their own community (those that voted them in) and any common sense voice of concern is shouted down as racist, then the only voice that will be heard is violence. It's a tiny minority but given they are the only ones being "heard", then this is what is to be expected.



  • #1493
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,655 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    If a deal is agreed to stop the war in UKR, what happens to the 100k UKR people here?



  • #1494
    Damien360
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,364 ✭✭✭Damien360


    This was in todays Sunday Indo. I couldn't imagine that even 3 months ago without a gaggle of NGO's going full attack on this as racist. The tide has turned and common sense is finally sticking its head in for a look. Article won't post as it's behind paywall but it's worth seaking it out.

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  • #1495
    Jizique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,248 ✭✭✭Jizique


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123202317#Comment_123202317

    If the deal is to hand over a part of the country to Russia, no more US military supplies, and a reopening of the western border to allow males under 60 to leave, we can expect the number to increase 5x



  • #1496
    Damien360
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,364 ✭✭✭Damien360


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123202317#Comment_123202317

    I asked this earlier. What's to stop every Ukrainian here from claiming asylum based on their territory (and they may not be from the effected region but how to prove) which trump proposes handing to Russia.



  • #1497
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,655 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I think the UKR people are under some form of EU Temporary Protection?

    Known as BOTP.

    So if that runs out, then they must return to UKR?



  • #1498
    Damien360
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,364 ✭✭✭Damien360


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123202342#Comment_123202342

    You mean enforced deportations ? That's hardly working now for failed IPAS.



  • #1499
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,655 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    No, I don't mean that.

    I am just asking about the EU Temporary Protection.

    What will happen to it, if the war is over.



  • #1500
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,032 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123202323#Comment_123202323

    Ah yes, an opinion piece you agree with. How about you share more than the headline so we can discuss it?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • #1501
    Damien360
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,364 ✭✭✭Damien360


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123202401#Comment_123202401

    Like I said, it's behind a paywall. I pay for the Indo at €6 per month so I get to read it. It's out there to be read and there are ways around paywalls which I won't print here.



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