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130kmph instead of 120kmph on motorway

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  • #32
    Bogey Lowenstein
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    With speedos most people are doing about 110 when they think they are at 120. So with a 130 limit we would technically be driving at 120 kph 😁



  • #33
    quantum_technician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭quantum_technician


    What you refer to is a 110kmph speed limit when surface is waterlogged and adhesion is lower. That seems intuitive and reasonable but if someone can make a reasoned argument against I remain open-minded.



  • #34
    standardg60
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123201292#Comment_123201292

    The problem is when one HGV wants to overtake another in lane 1 but there's a middle lane hogger driving at the same speed in lane 2, the HGV has to move to lane 3. That said I've seen plenty of HGVs doing middle lane hogging themselves, especially on the M50.



  • #35
    cnocbui
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    Fat chance, count yourself lucky you don't have to crawl along motorways on your hands and knees, towing your car by a rope gripped between your teeth, the way things have been going.

    moscow-state-circus-strongman-towing-a-double-decker-bus-with-is-teeth-AMTMR7.jpeg


  • #36
    suvigirl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123201324#Comment_123201324

    What do you think you will gain, by having a speed limit of 10kph more?



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  • #37
    quantum_technician
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    A shorter journey time. Is this a trick question?



  • #38
    Mellor
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123201165#Comment_123201165

    An EV at that speed will be less efficient.



  • #39
    quantum_technician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭quantum_technician


    Yes, but when charging at 3 or 4 C the journey time is reduced.



  • #40
    Kaybaykwah
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123201212#Comment_123201212

    A collision at that speed will shorten your life’s journey, too.



  • #41
    quantum_technician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭quantum_technician


    Show research indicating higher accident incidence at 130kmph on motorway constructed to allow travel at that speed.



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  • #42
    Seth Brundle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123201324#Comment_123201324

    Presumably you're referring to my point about 110km/h limits when raining. If you take France for example, it is not for waterlogged motorways, it is for motorways when it is raining (even light rain!). You'll also note that it rains frequently in Ireland so you think this is something we should have?



  • #43
    quantum_technician
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    Note that some motorway road surfaces on the continent are concrete and the adhesion qualities are completely different to asphalt.



  • #44
    Padre_Pio
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123201276#Comment_123201276

    Any idea what your average speed is?

    I drove Cork to Naas with cc set to 120kph and my average speed was a touch over 100kph.

    I would be skeptical of any speed limit increase saving anyone that much time.



  • #45
    Padre_Pio
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123201212#Comment_123201212

    So the average commuter would get 2 minutes a day back for every working day.

    For reference the average person spends over 70 hours a year sitting on the toilet.



  • #46
    suvigirl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123201442#Comment_123201442

    Nonsense. Literally a couple of minutes in the difference. Negligible



  • #47
    quantum_technician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭quantum_technician


    7 minutes from outskirts of Dublin to outskirts of Halfway on M4/M6. If you want to feel it I suggest you set timer for 7 minutes and stare at a wall for those 7 minutes. With 5 or 7 in a people carrier multiply collective time wasted by 5 or 7.



  • #48
    Padre_Pio
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123201602#Comment_123201602

    Instead of staring at a timer, play with your phone instead. Those 7 minutes will pass in the blink of an eye.



  • #49
    mickdw
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    120 is ok. Everyone goes alittle over anyway. Considering some of the driving out there, I'd leave as is.

    The 60 limit on good local roads is what needs looking at. Some of the local roads are similar to N roads and its a joke.



  • #50
    quantum_technician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭quantum_technician


    I hope you are not suggesting that people look at their mobile phone while in charge of a vehicle



  • #51
    kippy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123201602#Comment_123201602

    Is sitting in a car with a group of people 'time wasted'?

    Why are people looking for more and more here. Not two decades ago these journeys you are speaking of would have taken multiples longer due to no motorways and making those journeys was significantly more dangerous.

    Patience is on thing that appears to be disappearing from the roads, a ten km increase in the limit isn't a game changer for anyone in any real sense.



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  • #52
    magicbastarder
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123201212#Comment_123201212

    15,000 km is about the average for a car in total a year in Ireland. So your example of someone who does that just on motorways is very much an outlier.

    The average motorist doing 60km/h average (and I suspect the real average is considerably lower) would spend 250 hours in the driving seat. And would spend far longer stopped at traffic lights than your also theoretical 9 hours.

    9 hours is less than 90 seconds a day over 365 days.



  • #53
    Larbre34
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    Yes, but people in Ireland don't know how to drive, especially on Motorways, because we do not teach them to do so. So lets worry about that before we worry about fiddling with the speed limit.

    I set my cruise control to 130 km/h anyway on motorways in Ireland and have breezed past cops and cameras and never heard a peep, so do what you like in that regard. The only one I am wary of is the average speed cameras on the N7 between Moneygall and Limerick.



  • #54
    magicbastarder
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    Just another calculation. Let's say driving from the dunkettle interchange to just North of Dundalk was already 120km/h motorway (it's not all 120km/h and it's certainly not all motorway). That'd very much be an outlier for the vast majority of people who drive in Ireland.

    The theoretical max time you'd save at the higher speed would be less than 13 mins. Remove the N7 and M50 from the calculation and I suspect it'd drop to under 10 mins. Maybe five minutes in reality. Which would be less than half the time you'd spend watching ad breaks in an hour of watching TV.



  • #55
    Appletart Upsetter
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    I probably do around 25,000km on Motorways each year.

    As has been mentioned previously, improving motorway etiquette would have a much bigger impact. Middle lane hoggers are a huge issue. Especially HGVs doing so, they should know better.

    I also agree HGVs should not be allowed enter the right hand lane of a 3 lane motorway. In fact, you could make a case they shouldn't be allowed enter the right hand lane in a 2 lane motorway. What do they gain overtaking another HGV, a few minutes off their travel time.



  • #56
    Montage of Feck
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    Tbe current limit of 120 is fine, wouldn't be worth the bother for such a marginal gain.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • #57
    suvigirl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123201602#Comment_123201602

    negligible.



  • #58
    Tenzor07
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    To modern cars, cruising along at 130 on a motorway is nothing… But as others have said here it's not the vehicle it's the low standard of driving on Irish roads which causes the accidents…

    Most fall into various categories:

    Fast and aggressive (usually driving 15yr old BMW's or Diesel Passats/Vans like F1)

    Slow and careless (barely aware of their surroundings)

    Inconsiderate/unaware (of the rules of the road/lane discipline)

    We need a Garda Traffic corps out on the roads everyday, checking not only the big revenue generator Speeding tickets, but also poor driving standards, and offering Driver education courses.. also if you build up 12 penalty points on your licence then you should be made re-sit your driving test..



  • #59
    cnocbui
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123201991#Comment_123201991

    With that milage, the difference between limits would only save you 16 hours of your life to do other things with. A week saved over a decade.



  • #60
    magicbastarder
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123202020#Comment_123202020

    their calculation is wrong anyway. you cannot save 7 minutes from dublin on the M4/M6, even if you drive the full length of it.

    going from dublin, it's 181km from where the M4 starts to where the M6 ends. take out the 8km of the N6 around Athlone (which has a 100km/h limit) and you have 173km of motorway you could raise to 130.

    the theoertical maximum time saved that raising speed on 171km of motorway from 120 to 130 is less than seven minutes (it's a shade over six and a half minutes)

    (if you did include that stretch past athlone, you'd end up two seconds shy of the 7 minute mark)



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  • #61
    CramCycle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123201442#Comment_123201442

    But you really won't in 99% of cases. It would and should be laughed out the door if brought up. On an empty M50 it would save you less than a minute.

    It's counter intuitive but you can see it on some older cars where they used to have the time to do X distance printed inside the Speedo. You make great gains in saving time as you go from 20 to 40 or 40 to 80 but 120 to 130 saves you less than a minute on the M50 and costs alot more on fuel.



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