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130kmph instead of 120kmph on motorway

  • 23-02-2025 12:09PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭


    The rest of Europe seems to have chosen 130kmph as a safe maximum speed. Ireland sticks to 120kmph.

    This sacred cow should be reviewed.

    Some countries like the Netherlands are looking to abolish lower speed limits which were introduced in the interests of safety and environment.

    https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-expat-news/new-130-kmh-speed-limit-be-introduced-selected-dutch-motorways

    In the U.S. it can't be established that the National Maximum Speed Law which reduced speeds to 55mph in the 70s had any meaningful impact on fuel consumption or safety and it was repealed.

    Apart from the RSA and the anti personal transport Activists who would object to speed limits being increased on stretches of road designed for a maximum safe speed of 130kmph.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,574 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    Government would be better applying resources to getting middle lane and right lane hoggers into the correct lanes IMO. And organising a proper education campaign on motorway driving and etiquette. Something they should have done 20 years ago at the latest.

    Apart from that, yeah there's a lot of stretches where 130kmh wouldn't be an issue. Rarely hear anyone mention it though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,046 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Obviously it would never work on the M50 but on some less trafficked sections of other motorways it may be a possibility.

    Having said that 120 is 74.5 mph a speed at which you are making good progress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭User567363


    120 is cool, it's a km every 30seconds, so easy to guess journey time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭quantum_technician


    I will normally travel at 115 to 120kmph but I don't see why I should be prevented from safely driving at 130kmph where the conditions allow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,465 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    First off, to get the bullshit bit put in its box: the relaxation of the USA's federal 55 mph limit had a direct and pretty shocking effect on road fatalities in that country. Overview here: https://freakonomics.com/2010/04/life-and-death-in-the-fast-lane/

    ... but there's no shortage of peer-reviewed studies on this if you just care to look.

    The actual question is worth considering, but look at what else the Netherlands has already: all single carriageway roads are 80 km/h. 100 is only allowed on divided roads, and 130 for motorways.

    And that sound you can just about hear is Dutch readers laughing at the idea of reaching 130 km/h for any length of time on a Dutch motorway... you think Ireland is bad? In NL, sometimes the whole length of the country jams up.

    I'm not going to look up the specification for a Dutch motorway, but maximum speed depends a lot on lane width. If you had 3.75 m lanes, maybe, but most of our motoways are 3.65 m lanes. (M50 is narrower)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭quantum_technician


    Thanks for the link to the "opinion piece".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,054 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …or would increasing limits, simply mean, some just increase their overall speed even more…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,155 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Not exactly accurate to say the rest of Europe has opted for 130. Some have, and even then with restrictions. Most haven't and many are below 120. Personally, I'm not bothered. 120, if you can maintain it over distance, is reasonable progress. 130 wouldn't shorten most journeys by much.

    Speed limits by country - Wikipedia



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,581 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    why, though? lets say you drove from dublin to galway on the motorway; the motorway stretch is less than 180km of that.

    raising the limit from 120km/h to 130km/h means a maximum time saving of less than seven minutes; that's a theoretical maximum, and you're simply not going to achieve that in reality.

    also, as far as i can work out, your fuel consumption will jump by about 15%. so if the journey cost you say €18 in fuel at 120, it'll cost you an extra €2.50 or so at 130 (probably more). it's not a lot of money, but it means your saved time is costing you over €20 per hour saved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    Why stop at 130 kph if you favour that approach?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭Raichų


    don’t really see a need but I am not exactly opposed to it either.

    That said I don’t envision the government having any sort of notion about increasing speed limits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    It would hardly make a difference.

    Distance between Dublin and Cork is 250km, so a touch over 2 hours at 120kph and a touch under 2 hours at 130kph. That's probably the longest road where someone could reasonably maintain the speed limit along the whole stretch.

    Not considering that many people drive under the limit, and that many professional drivers are limited to 100kph.

    So most motorway journeys would be a two or three minutes shorter, maybe. Hardly enough time to use the loo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,563 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Those 10 kph will make little to no difference to your travel time OP.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,095 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The 55mph limit in the US was brought in to save fuel. Should a 130Kmph limit be for electric vehicles only ?

    On the continent they have stickers on goods vehicles with their top speed, sometimes with a second one for unloaded / trailer or something. Should cars here have something similar to limit higher speeds to cars which meet better standards ?

    Another school of thought is to replace the drivers air bags with a harpoon so that drivers have to take care instead of relying on safety systems to protect them at the expense of others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭quantum_technician


    But why does Official Ireland know better than the rest of Europe. The justifications given to retain the status quo of 120kmph would have the same level of legitimacy in other European countries where the normal maximum speed limit is 130kmph.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭quantum_technician


    If travelling long distances at 130kmph in an efficient EV with a fast rate of charge journey times can be reduced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭exiledawaynothere


    Definitely not on the cards. They even considered lowering the speed limits for emissions purposes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭quantum_technician


    Their worlds have not imploded based on 130kmph limit so I defy you to prove they are wrong.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,681 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The vast majority of Dutch motorways are 100km/h between 07:00 and 19:00. 120 after 19:00.

    It’s painful, especially since they all used to be 130. It drives me nuts. But there are speed traps everywhere.

    People seem to think Ireland is a bad country for motorists. The Netherlands is awful.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭quantum_technician




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭exiledawaynothere


    https://www.tii.ie/media/ojmdulzm/impact-of-national-road-speed-limit-reductions-on-greenhouse-gas-emissions.pdf

    But I think it was the Minister at the time who was looking at the options.

    Most fascinating part of the report is that we have 99000 km of roads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭Casati


    If you drive 15,000 km on these motorways per annum, an increase in (average) speed from 120kmph to 130kmph would save you 9 hours or a working day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,155 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    You persist in putting forward a picture of most of Europe traveling at 130 kmph. That is simply not true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    100%. Increase the speed limit for EV drivers to 130, it'll not impact the environment.

    There's quite a few EV's out there now that can charge the battery from 20 to 80% in less than 15 or so minutes and those using motorways usually only top up what they need to get home.

    As someone who does 1000km per week (in an ICE car) the biggest issues to road safety is slow coaches hogging the overtaking lane and farm machinery tootling along on motorways. The latter is an absolute disgrace, the law needs to change here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭quantum_technician


    You are simply wrong. The default motorway speed limit in most of Western and central Europe by land mass and population is 130kmph or higher. Check link provided by yourself. Exceptions like Spain, UK, Scandinavia, Belgium are present.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Motorway limits are theoretically already 130 here, due to allowances for calibrations in speedos and detection equipment. Increasing the limit would bring it up over 140 in reality, so it's not going to happen.

    I regularly spin the M4 and 125-130 would be pretty standard for the majority of traffic in my view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    I disagree. I travel 100km along the M8 two or three times a week. The vast majority are doing less than 120 as I overtake them with cc set at 120.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭Economics101


    130 is by no means the rule in Europe: the UK is 70 mph (112 kph), Spain 120, Porugal 120, Netherlands 110 between 0600 and 1900, France 110 whan raining.

    Enforcement of rules on middle-lane dawdling would be a great help. Also is there a ban on HGVs using the outer lane (no 3) on three-lane motorway sections and on roads such as the N7?



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Some of those countries with a 130km/h motorway limit also have a lower limit of 110km/h for when it's raining. Would this be part of your proposal?



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