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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Its pointless discussing any players performance on any given day if people are just going to look through a blue/red lens and go full Maga.

    Ok. He's excellent, best no 10 in the world. eva. Nothing to improve on, never has an off day,

    Happy now?

    Discussion finished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,019 ✭✭✭50HX


    Gon a hold my hands up here & admit I git that scoreline completely wrong.

    I haven't seen the game yet so I don't know if the scoreline reflected the overall performance or not yet.

    Roll on France



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,360 ✭✭✭✭Clegg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,292 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    you kinda did that yourself…

    The negatives far outweighed the positives for Prendergast again, and if others want to lie and state otherwise, that's their prerogative. But we all know what we watched with our eyes. He guided us to a third win in a row in the face of a malfunctioning scrum, and an inability to make a tackle.

    important bit added on.

    looking forward to the French game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,360 ✭✭✭✭Clegg




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,539 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Many thanks for proving my point?

    What am I missing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    SP looks lost a bit when under the pump and he knows he has to tackle; look at his body language for about 30 seconds before the Welsh try at end of the first half.

    With the play in hand he looks like he was born to do it; like he's playing a different game to everyone else.

    Improving his tackling in the long term shouldn't be difficult. In the short term he's going to be targeted, just like ROG was. I think he's going to have a great career.

    Isn't rugby great that it was a role for a player like SP, in the safe field as Joe McCarthy and Porter etc.

    Delighted for Wales and the tournament in general. A big Irish win wouldn't have been good for either. The 6 Nations needs Wales going well.



  • Posts: 146 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wrong thread. Deleted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Excuse me?

    A point was made that if anyone missed tackles like Prendergast has they'd be out of the 23. I countered that point showing it to be untrue.

    Go full maga? What on Earth are you talking about?

    I said he was fine. I never said anything which you're implying.

    Just a bizarre post from start to finish.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,781 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yes. Without even the remotest shadow of a doubt.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,781 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I don't agree the attack looked better against England and Aus with JC. I think the Irish attack looks much more dangerous with SP but the execution is questionable. Had Osborne made a pretty standard pass out to the wing we would have been up 14-0 and it would have been a very different game.

    I think he had a pretty mediocre game today overall. Some exceptional touches and some really poor errors. But he was about middle of the pack in terms of performance. The scrum and lineout were the biggest issues today. Osborne was awful first half though had a very good second half. But in general we left a lot of points behind yet again and it's on the back 5 for a lot of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,292 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    What a hill to die on.

    Frawley would be better, in every way.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,781 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Frawley is not a 10 at the best of times, which is why he was moved out of there by Leinster. Prendergast is already twice the player he is at 10 and will only get better. There is literally nothing he is better at except tackling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,023 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Frawley absolutely is not a better 10 than Prendergast. He is a significantly worse 10 than Ross Byrne.

    Frawley will not make a fully fit Leinster 23 come the business end of the season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭KIB4Life


    One bad game and Frawley has been dismissed completely. Still think he’s a decent player. Crowley is been badly treated I feel he should be at least getting 20 minutes off the bench at 10, not 8 minutes at full back.

    Overall, it was an average enough performance but in fairness Wales showed up. Thought Osborne done well at full back particularly in the second half. Bealham has probably become one of our most important players over the last 12 months hasn’t let the side down.

    Gibson Park very good again, seems to be getting better with age, also O’Mahony and Aki also played very well. A wins a win. A lot to work on but some positives as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,594 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I think this is a situation where there is pretty clear evidence to point to as differentiators between the two players, in terms of their attributes. With regards POM and Murray, I understand why they are picked, even if I disagree with it, just as I understand why Prendergast is being picked and agree with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,403 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Wales lost that game by millimetres, they looked sharper, handling was better, more dangerous in attack….Ireland were sluggish but managed to eke out a win.

    Same performance will end in a loss to France.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    And same performance for France like they had against England will end up in a loss for them.

    Really feels like panic stations here. Wales dragged us down to their level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    yes zero chance of a France win if we play anywhere close, major change in gear and accuracy required. Home match will help for sure. A couple of selection quandaries now for Easterby . Most fascinating team selection for quite a while .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,221 ✭✭✭riddles


    The value of taking three points was the big factor yesterday and SP able to kick from distance a nice addition to his bow.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,292 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Out of curiosity, was this always your view of Frawley?

    Last year were Leinster fans not calling for him to be the 10?

    (apologies mods, I know it is an Irish thread)

    I would have Crowley and Frawley as my two 10s thiis year and next year, and Sam in a couple of years when he learns how to tackle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Delighted with the win although expected an easier ride. It's a sign of an excellent team who can dig out a win even when playing poorly. One thing from me from the match is that Sheehan is not captain material...a great player but lacked leadership yesterday. Captain is such a pivotal role and not for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    I’m not sure it was a leadership issue as most leaders on the field do it in action not in words. There was no leadership and an absence of quality playmaking . Can’t put that on Sheehans shoulders it’s a team requirement and only JGP & Bundee really laid down the gauntlet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,023 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Always? No, like everyone else I hoped he’d develop into a good OH but I gave up on that quite a while ago. If you’re bored, you can find plenty of posts from me arguing that his cameo in South Africa last summer was evidence that he’s not a good OH and the drop goals were a distraction.

    You’re implying that I was previously hyping up Frawley but am now talking him down to make Prendergast look better. I can assure you I’m not.

    “Leinster fans” are not a single entity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭thehairygrape


    This is my worry. What does Crowley do now? Clearly the management have made the call at out half. Crowley isn’t even getting on the pitch in that position. I thought we’d have two really good out halves for the next World Cup but Crowley mightn’t be available. If I were him I’d take the inevitable big money options from the Premiership or France. Not in a fit of pique but in a hard nosed professional decision. Munster are going nowhere, unfortunately. Keenan is locked on at full back. Sam is younger than him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭Hippo


    Quite a few forward passes missed I thought and that was probably the most glaring. Maybe it's just not Ridley's thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,221 ✭✭✭riddles


    The Welsh lineouts rarely straight so I think they picked up on it early



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭Hippo


    I'd have no issue with Crowley starting at 10 but I honestly don't think Frawley is in Prendergast's class in that position. He missed 8 tackles and made 8 yesterday which is probably 8 more than ROG made in his career and is more than Anscombe and Russell combined managed. That's not meant to be a dig at ROG, it's just what you often get with a 10. Of course it's an area Prendergast can improve in but he brings an awful lot to the table and his mental strength is really impressive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    I certainly wouldn’t be throwing the baby out at this point with Crowley, who says he doesn’t get selected for France. It’s both essential and also in the managements interest to have 2 strong 10’s which means a confidence reboot for Crowley is required. Many would feel he has been treated unfairly but he has reacted with strength of character which doesn’t go unnoticed. Getting Sam the match needed game time will stand to his and our collective benefit but there is no sense to having only one primed 10 at any juncture as we learned to our detriment in RWC



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,539 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Not having a go at ROG but then you spout lies about his tackling stats. What's that meant to mean?



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