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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,060 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    if anything, has increased in the time of Trump

    Understatement of the year right there briany. Although, joking aside, there is a lot of truth in your post and raises some thoughts on a lot of topics.

    1 - In the language from Trump that gives an indication as to why he likes Russia, it is clear he is enamoured by the authoritarianism of Putin rather than any "broadcast" philosophies of the Right Wing such as free market and minimal government interference.

    2 - Outside of that it is interesting that the pendulum for Russia's national identity in terms of political ideology, or at least that of its leaders, swung immediately from Communism to fascism. There was no intermediate period or leader where they were led by what could have been considered centrist leaders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,799 ✭✭✭threeball


    Russia was never left wing. They may have taken on a left wing ideal for a very short space of time but the very rulers who led the communist revolution quickly turned to authoritarianism and extreme right wing ideals for themselves and the country whilst bleeding the population with supposed left wing ideals. The only truly left wing countries have been the nordic countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Surely that parallels the transition period from 1917 to 1921 when Imperialist right-wing authoritarianism swung within nine short months into left-wing ,and then command economy authoritarianism with only a short interim of chaotic democracy. One interesting facet of the revolution and civil war period is the willingness of fair number of former Czarist officers and generals to work with the new Bolshevik regime such was their contempt for the democratic forces and more moderate leftists, whom they saw as weaklings lacking in ruthlessness and patriotism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭thereiver


    There will be protest s when working class people realize the massive cuts to basic services like medicare Medicare medical care for old people veterans and retired people . Its not really a money saving idea to sack mechanics and highly trained staff that maintain the complex systems that air traffic controllers rely on to do their work. The cost will be more serious accidents as planes will be more likely to crash or collide .the air traffic control system is already stretched to the max with flight controllers working overtime.due to staff shortages

    The supreme court has granted trump more power than any other president .

    The American government has always run on a system of checks and balances to stop threats to democracy but this is not working due to trump simply passing executive orders and ignoring Congress . Leaders of federal agencys will be replaced with trump loyalists.

    The federal government will no longer be able to regulate corporations and protect the consumer from scammers or enforce regulations to protect the environment . . Trump is trying to pass a peace agreement that Ukraine will hand over billions in it's Mineral wealth in order to hold onto the land it has liberated from Russia .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,060 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Isn't command economy authoritarianism fascism? Or maybe that's demand economy authoritarianism. At least the neo-con version of it.

    One thing that is universal across the political spectrum, is that bodies of people like strong leaders, whether let or right leaning, the ability to lead comes first with the ability to command attention. The inability for Jeremy Corbyn to be an attractive proposition for leading the UK in 2019 being a case in point. Throughout the period between Brexit and that election, he was a model of not being able to define an approach and convince people to have faith in it. A topic for a different thread though truth be told.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,799 ✭✭✭threeball


    Trump has already said he'll send the military to deal with protests. He told them everything and they still voted for them.

    To be honest, whatever happens in America they'll get no sympathy from me as they haven't done anything to avert it. Skitting and laughing at John Oliver and Jimmy Kimmel is all well and good but it doesn't do a damn thing to halt what's been in train.

    We just need to make sure that we in the EU protect one another and work as a collective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭techdiver


    Another sieg heil to add to the collection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,060 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Skitting and laughing at John Oliver and Jimmy Kimmel is all well and good but it doesn't do a damn thing to halt what's been in train.

    I'd give them a pass, they didn't set out to be more than entertainers. What I do have an issue with is the media trying to be talk show hosts. Rachel Maddow, Anderson Cooper, Jake Tapper et al. I no longer watch television, and was never an avid fan of 24hr news channels (I watched more Fox than I did CNN) but have seen enough clips of these to know they aren't trying to dig to the root cause of issues, they're trying to nose around to find some juicy bits.

    Which journalist had been told something pretty significant by Trump but held on to it until his book was published? That sort of thing serves no one except the journalist, and the politician.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,799 ✭✭✭threeball


    I'm not having a go at the entertainers, I'm having a go at the public. Light entertainment is as deep as their interest in anything goes. No critical thinking. No knowledge of the world. John Oliver is probably the most informative programme you can get in the states but the jokes take away from just how serious most of the subjects are. People didn't take it on board so they're now living in a dictatorship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,060 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    How do you change that? I mean, if you're in power and want people to have more interest and knowledge than you mandate civics classes but we've seen how conservatives react to anything within the school that they have an issue with.

    Genuine question, how does a society become informed or have a culture where being informed is encouraged. I don't have children so I can't speak as to what goes on in classrooms today. I grew up in a house where there was one TV and the news was prioritized every night and Prime Time was watched a couple of times a week. My mother also had drive time on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,799 ✭✭✭threeball


    Well, ensuring your media is not full of liars for one. That the news includes more than how great your country is, a news story about the president, a tragic story of crime at the hands of a black man/Muslim, followed by a story about a cat stuck up a tree. That is essentially news in America every single night.

    Proper education system and a move away from the presidency where you hand over massive power to one person for 4yrs and trust them to lead you in the right direction. It's a terrible system, designed to fail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭thereiver


    I don't think the average voter understood that trump was going to take the federal government apart and sack 1000s of workers or make major cuts to medicare and Medicaid .working class voters are the ones who will be badly effected by cuts in Medicaid and public services and the lack of consumer protection



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Trump doing his standup routine at CPAC.

    He's done a good two minutes on Elizabeth Warren just there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 921 ✭✭✭ollkiller


    We're now living in the times where a man child is president of the USA. All he wants is adulation. Say any amount of mad sh*te and adore me.

    If you follow this lad I really feel sorry for you. Somewhere along the line you think you need a strongman who shoots from the hip to get you ahead . But the wool has been pulled over your eyes. It's a distraction (put enough sh*to put there to muddy the waters), while they gut everything and make themselves richer. It's the ultimate Grift in real time.

    P.S Musk's downfall will be glorious to see. Keep gutting public services and see what happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,799 ✭✭✭threeball


    Interesting read. Craig Unger has written some great books exposing the links of the Bushes with the Saudis and Trump with the Russians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,977 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    JT really has gotten under trumps skin it seems.

    Showing the world yet again that he is a child.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,867 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    It looks like Dr. Phil has secretly been moonlighting as President of Belarus for the last thirty years! 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,083 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


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    Ideal answer already provided on Reddit

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    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,060 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Musk's downfall will be glorious to see

    It should be, but will it happen? We thought Trump was finished in Jan 2021, and he more than deserved to be, and look at us now.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he went off the charts, Kanye style, at some point in the future. He comes across as quite unsettled and I would go so far as to say unhappy with the way he puts so much effort in to trying to be liked. And we know he has the back catalog of prejudice and vitriol that he has struggled to keep a lid on at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Would he not be close to a Kanye style breakdown as it is? He hasn't gone on Twitter and overtly declared a love of Hitler yet (that I know of), but I have seen him sieg heil twice and pose on stage with a chainsaw. This is in addition to a tweeting frequency approaching Graham Linehan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭kyote00


    In 2022. Musk bought twitter and in 2024, he bought America.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭thereiver


    John Oliver has to make his program entertaining in order to get viewers and remain on air while also commenting on complex political topics .these topics are covered on MSNBC and CNN but ratings are falling for most news programs that are not on

    Fox news in America .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭thereiver


    America will not be great after doge follows it's mission to cost costs and sack civil servants .these civil servants are good value they provide vital services like maintaining infrastructure roads emergency services and the maintenance of services like weather monitors and support services to keep the faa working in a safe manner . These can only be labelled costs if you don't care about public safety the protection of the environment and the protection of consumer rights and providing medical services to veterans and older retired citizens .

    I predict there will be an air crash or disaster in the future due to reducing staff in the people who maintain the infrastructure that supports air traffic controllers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,669 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Musk sometimes gets compared to Elizabeth Holmes, who similarly used an uncanny ability to blagg about herself to build a company worth billions, based on mostly the fiction that she knew what she was doing.

    In the case of Holmes and her Thernos company, reality eventually came to get her (and the value of her shares) because the company had promised something that wasn’t technically possible. She went from being a “genius” billionare to being in jail for massive fraud.

    Musk’s products for the the most part are real, but are propped up with vapourware claims and Tesla itself hasn’t released a successful new design in many years. The Cybertruck (or W*nkpanzer to give it it’s offical name) is by far one of the most failed consumer auto-products out there. Combined with multiple recalls, and the fact that the thing can never be street-legal in most countries, it is now also supplanting the BMW has the universal sign that the driver is a bell-end.

    The potential stagnation of Tesla is a massive problem for Musk, because that has become his Thernos. Tesla stocks are so overinflated that they nearly eclipse the stock value of all other auto-makers in the world combined. All of that value is based on mostly meme-stock nonsense and the previous fiction that Musk had a clue of what he was doing. Musk borrows of the value off those stocks to have money, and without those stocks he becomes considerably poorer.

    So I live in some hope when I see Tesla struggling. Should the value of that company collapse to what it’s actually worth then Musk goes from being this Tony Stark wannabe to a very public and dramatic financial failure. The resulting fallout would take years, so he wouldn’t disappear from our screens, but the more it would it go on the more the world would learn how Musk is little more than a block-headed stoner narcissist who at best once knew how to get lucky with other people’s smarter ideas.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,825 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'd give Oliver a pass as he's clearly much more than an entertainer. He's used his platform to repeatedly stand up for vulnerable people and bring people's attention to pretty insidious things, eg Pig Butchering. Kimmel's just a corporate hack like Maher and the rest.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,664 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Wondering why CFTrump has rolled over? Well, who is buying Trumpcoins? He's minting money apparently and anyone (hiya, Vlad) can buy them.

    https://www.axios.com/2025/01/19/donald-trump-crypto-billionaire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭Field east


    any graphs available On his current popularity and compared to previous presidents?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,670 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Yep while Oliver is making jokes, he's always clear on how serious the situation is. Plus each episode tends to amount to a 30 minute informative session on stuff that is in dire need of being fixed in the US. Also did a similar segment on project 2025 last year. I'm not sure the major news station did any in depth segments on the threat of it which is slightly fucked...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭Field east


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭Field east


    Re this kind of claim , I am now looking , more and more, to see the source of such claims . In this case it is PETE Hegeseth and FOx news.



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