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Cities around the world that are reducing car access

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭silvertimelinings


    that is not correct. shared footpaths can be used by bikes, scooters, tricycles, wheelchairs, etc…

    In rural Ireland footpaths are not present on many roads so more space is available to all road users.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Who needs houses, when we can all live in sheds instead: after all, a factory or a warehouse business can use a sheds too.

    And your example is nonsense, as less than 5% of Ireland’s dual carriageway roads allow non-motorised traffic to use them. In most cases this is because they are under motorway restrictions, and the others because they have only motor-vehicle lanes (Type 2 Dual Carriageway).

    It also costs far more to build a general-purpose shoulder onto a road than it does to add a segregated pedestrian and cycle way alongside it. Maximum loading specifications apply to the whole road surface, not just bits of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Worth repeating....

    "...Brendan O’Brien, acting executive traffic manager at Dublin City Council, said: “The vast majority of people in Dublin are moving by public transport, walking and cycling.

    “Dublin can’t build its way out of congestion. We can’t build roads to meet the growing demand of the city. Therefore, the way the city demand would be met will be public transport, walking and cycling.

    “Particularly, right in the heart of the city centre, the priorities really are to try and improve the space for pedestrians, to ensure public transport works as efficiently as possible, to make some room for cycling, for making the place a nicer public ground,” he added...."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,504 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    Someone should tell that hippie that dual carriageways would solve all Dublins traffic problems



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭specialbyte


    Interesting information in the Engineers Ireland presentation on the Dublin City Transport Plan from staff at DCC and NTA.

    I've screengrabbed three interesting images from the modelling results presenting by the guy from the NTA.

    General gist: fewer cars, more people using the bus, more people walking and cycling.

    1.png 2.png 3.png


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    That second diagram shows an interesting mode shift from Luas onto bus. I suspect that riders for destinations on the quays are currently using the Red Line not because it serves their destination, but because it has a greater ability to push through traffic than the bus. Change to a more free-flowing situation, and they get a bus instead because it brings them nearer to where they actually want to go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,747 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Is it actually showing modal shift? What does "flow" mean, and what are the units?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    I believe so. Luas Red is showing a negative change in passengers carried, while buses along the quays are showing a larger positive change. Service quality on Red line is not affected by these changes (if anything, it’s improved) so those ex-Luas passengers are choosing something else not because Luas has got worse, but because the alternative is better for them.

    The units for “Public transport flow change” look to be in passengers per hour, based on the ranges given, but the relative changes are what matter. It doesn’t help that the car and PT diagrams use different ranges for line-thickness, but that’s mainly due to the low efficiency of private cars meaning the values are in a smaller range: a reduction of 500 passengers per hour by car takes about 400 vehicles off the street; an increase of the same number by PT needs just 6-10 buses or two extra trams (assuming existing services are fully loaded).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,747 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Yeah the first bit is what I was wondering — at first glance you'd almost think it was showing that Red Line service quality has declined thanks to the changes, which would make little sense (other than potentially cars blocking it more on off-quays streets)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭quantum_technician


    Seems sheds in back gardens is where you are expected to live now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,555 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2025/0406/1506079-car-restrictions-dublin/

    Good news. The likes of Dame St are ridiculous, I've never seen as many pedestrians as there are lately but the footpaths are tiny in comparison to space for motorists. And I'm sick looking at single occupied SUVs coming out of brown thomas car parks and disturbing the crowds that gather in that area these days.

    They need to push through these measures and stop caring what lazy suburban assholes think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    The quote from Louis Copeland is a good summary of the normal business concerns about these measures (for those without an interest in operating car-parks): the majority of businesses are not against the measures, are well aware that they won’t really have a long term affect on business, but want to avoid the confusion when they come into force, because that does create a temporary drop in trade.

    Almost every business in the city knows that increased footfall is much better for trade than increased car access. If your business really requires customers to drive to it, then you’ve got no reason for paying the crazy rents in Dublin city, and you’d bet better off in a retail park off the M50 or something.

    Agree about the Grafton Cark Park (“Brown Thomas Car Park”) - it makes Wicklow Street, William Steet and Clarendon street a pain for pedestrians, and it draws car traffic right into the core of the southside - it really shouldn’t be there at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,555 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Yeah who in their right mind ends up ever driving down wicklow street? Like at least park over at merrion square or something and walk. That's what I've always done if I've driven in at the weekend for some reason, but then I don't have car brain.

    Wicklow st is another good example of the footpath being far too narrow for the human traffic.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,097 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The quote from Louis Copeland is a good summary of the normal business concerns about these measures

    The quote from Louis Copeland is a good summary of the utter insanity with which these measures are approached:

    Hopefully they don't close off Parliament Street because that is an artery to get to the southside."

    Who in their right mind is using Parliament Street as their primary route to get to the Southside!?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 MichelDixNeuf


    The centre of Dublin is a bit hollow of ABC Demographics to be expecting Retail not to suffer when it is made increasingly inaccessible. Population density in the Centre of Dublin is not improving so applying strategies followed in other cities without noting the characteristics of those cities might not lead to the desired outcomes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,141 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    There are no proposals to make the city centre less accessible. The city centre traffic plan is aimed at INCREASING accessibility by eliminating routes for THROUGH traffic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 MichelDixNeuf


    The shopping centres on the periphery will be happy to hear this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Maybe all the anti social activity is also a factor in centre of Dublin.

    Similar suggestion along with overcrowding why people would switch from Luas to bus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,141 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 MichelDixNeuf


    The Broken Windows theory may have some bearing but Developers simply can't build residential profitably in the city centre at any meaningful level so a living 15 minute City is further away than ever.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I don't believe the decline in city center retail is due to a lack of city center housing. I expect it's only in certain areas of the city center. The docklands is jammed with new apartments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 Skyte


    The same louis copeland who said all the time pedestrianization was disastrous and to reverse it? Changing his tune once the general public agreed how successful it was, to the chagrin of himself.

    https://www.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/dublin-news/you-cant-bring-a-chainsaw-on-a-bus-louis-copeland-on-capel-street-pedestrianisation/42142800.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Can't blame him for getting all shirty.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,416 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it suits him to make that statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭Ben D Bus


    Nodoby is using Parliament Street as a primary route anywhere! Since the Capel Street changes it's devoid of traffic 99% of the time anyway.

    Louis obviously never looks left when he's standing at the front door of his shop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,467 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,555 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Pat Kenny and some other eejit were giving out about the westland row thing earlier saying town will only be good for people going to cafes on their bikes with these changes. Such out of touch morons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Used to use it a bit in the past coming up the quays and then turn right. But not in years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,581 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Westland Row & Pearse Street changes to come into effect from the 25th of this month:



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,141 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Do we have a date for Parliament street? Also anything about extending the quays bus gate?



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