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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,485 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Over the rest of the year they didn't play that much. It was only inter provincials in Ireland and the five nations. I think it was eight club games in the old English system.

    There was no URL or Champions cup or anything like it.

    And back then the Lions tour was like a holiday. You'd hear loads of stories about players having nights out drinking and dining. They wouldn't be training much at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭rdser


    Probably for the match thread when it goes up, but can anyone recommend a good pub in Amsterdam to watch the match on Saturday?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,837 ✭✭✭✭phog


    At a guess, all of the Irish pubs there will be showing the rugby



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭niallm77


    IT REPORTING Sheehan is captain this weekend



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭niallm77


    THORNLEY

    Osborne, Hansen, Ringrose, henshaw. Lowe, Sam, JGP, Conan, VDF, POM, beirne. JOE Mc, Clarkson, Sheehan, Porter

    Bench - Boyle, Gus Mc, Bealham, Ryan, Baird, Murray, Crowley, Aki

    Edit - had Clarkson and Bealham the wrong way around



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭50HX


    Keenan injured?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭niallm77


    not mentioned by thornley in his article that i can see. Only glanced through it though.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If that's the selection then we're aiming to put our foot on the throat and rack up big point difference against Wales.

    That and it means that the coaches are likely backing Prendergast as the form out half and will have him running the week in training for the whole 6N. Quite the challenge for Crowley to take on.

    Edit - After all the recent "tribalism" I just want to be clear that I'm happy to see either player start and want a team where we can look after our tens and tactically change in every game. Not trying to start any arguments here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    Prendergast deserves it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    pretty decent team. Would've preferred to see Osborne get a start in the centre, and literally anyone over POM. Happy to see youth been given a chance in the front row.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    As Will Munny quite correctly pointed out "Deserve's got nothin' to do with it"

    I'd thought SE would exercise man management & start JC at 10 (& maybe moving JC to 15 for Osborne if a rejigged backline was called for, bringing SP on from the bench). It would seem that it's going to be a long way back for JC at this point.

    .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Mate of mine plays with AAC rugby in the 'dam. They always go to O'Donnells odonnellsamsterdam.nl



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭niallm77


    I think it became clear in r1 when Sam was selected that he is viewed as the #1 at 10. I dont see them chopping and changing at 10 when there is a 6n and a slam to play for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    It's really not a long way off to JC.

    It's SP having a couple of poor games in a row/getting injured away.

    The joys of having depth



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,528 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I think JC is a bit unfortunate in how the games have fallen. Ultimately they are going to want to get minutes into SP and they definitely won't want him going a month without starting a match.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,024 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    I must say, I really like the way the selectors have gone about this 23.
    This is a perfect example of keeping the spine of the team and absorbing a few changes without too much change to effect the performance hopefully.
    Some rotation among quality players to keep a bit of freshness to the core of the team (Henshaw starts - Aki benches, Osborne starts - Keenan is rested), a couple of players out injured (Furlong and Doris) and a couple of players back in from injury (J McCarthy and Hansen), and giving some youth a chance in the starting 15 (Osborne for Keenan, Clarkson for Bealham) and some exciting new talent to get a cap off the bench (Boyle and G McCarthy). Still loads of experience in the starting 15 (Ringrose, Henshaw Lowe, JGP, POM, VdF, Beirne and more) and loads of experience on the bench (Bealham, Ryan, Murray and Aki) while maintaining a bench that will add some threat in attack when introduced (Ryan, Baird Prendergast and Aki should all bring a lot of energy with 25 mins to go).

    While I think Wales are very vulnerable to getting smashed I'm still looking forward to this now. There are plenty of talking points with this selection, obviously the ongoing battle for the 10 jersey, Hansen under pressure for 14 jersey, Osborne to put his hand up, Conan has a great chance to get back in the starting pack for the French match, McCarthy will be put through a fitness test, VdF will be busy marking their best player, Jac Morgan, possibly with a view to the starting 7 jersey for the B&I Lions, Clarkson to hold the scrums together. It's going to be hugely entertaining regardless of the score, a tight battle wouldn't be so bad if Wales overperform and Ireland struggle with the changes to find their groove, but I suspect this could be Ireland close to 50 points, match over with 30 to go. I'd love to see Ireland open up and score ten tries, we really should be capable of it if we can get things to click. A good start, and I could see a try within 5 minutes and no let up allowed to the final whistle.

    I haven't seen the weather forecast, so it'll be interesting if it's wet and windy and Wales try to kick a lot of contestables, and look to defend to keep the scoreline down. That'll test our aerial ability as well as push us into attacking a lot as I expect Ireland to have a lot of the possession.

    Edit: I see Cian Prendergast was named ahead of Baird, that's a good call in my opinion. CP has been due an opportunity, really hope he gets on early and puts in a big performance.

    Post edited by Jump_In_Jack on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Is the roof open or closed?

    Edit- forecast is for dry day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,024 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Hadn't considered that, if closed it would suit us even more you'd imagine, so I'd think Wales will opt to keep it open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭50HX


    Roof will be closed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭niallm77


    9am tomorrow for the team announcement.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭almostover


    Interesting selection if it materialises. I'd rather see Beirne bench than Ryan, he has a lot of minutes on the clock this season. Could do with just playing the final 20.

    The Obsorne selection at 15, if true, would be very interesting. Keenan hasn't put a foot wrong and would offer stability but if this Osborne selection materialises it shows that the management are keen to develop him. I'm not a Leinster fan and don't watch many of their games. Is this Osborne's best position? Or just a way to get him experience in a big away game? He's clearly going to force his way into the 23 soon but what is his position? Or is he likely to be the 23rd man as a utility back? Jack Crowley offers that 10/12/15 option so we can afford to be more specialised in our 23 jersey. Hence Aki probably being no.23 this weekend.

    Also didn't expect Boyle to be picked but this is a good opportunity to give someone other than Cian Healy a go and start that succession planning. I don't disagree with that selection. There's no clear alternative to Healy so time to throw a guy in at the deep end and see if he has it. Worked for Clarkson.

    Presume this means POM is captain? That's another reason I'd rather see Ryan start ahead of Beirne, is he not 2nd choice for captain? Or is Ringrose 2nd choice? Not that it makes much difference this weekend but it's good for the 2nd choice to get experience of the captaincy, Doris isn't immune to injury.

    Also, does anyone have odds on POM being selected for the Lions tour? I'm tempted to place a bet on it. None of the 6s bar Tom Curry (who's a 7) have been going well so far in the tournament. He could get picked for leadership and as an experienced squad player. It's not beyond the realms of possibility.

    Another contentious opinion coming up by me now. Jac Morgan is ahead of JvDF for the 7 shirt in my eyes so far. That may change after this game. Morgan has been outstanding in a diabolical Welsh side. JvDF has been efficient as always and playing well without being stand out. Think Saturday could be a shootout for the Lions 7 shirt. Especially seeing as none of the 6s have excelled and Tom Curry looks nailed on for that.

    If this is the 23 picked then I'm happy, nice mix of stability and getting experience for the next generation. We need to target a 4+ try win with a minimum of a 20 point margin. But Wales will be fired up and may make it far closer than that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Thornley says sheehan is captain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,837 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Beirne is one of those players that Farrell plays in every game and every minute of the game regardless of the opposition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭almostover


    Good choice if true, will always be a starter when fit. Interested to see how he interacts with the referee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭almostover


    Good choice if true, will always be a starter when fit. Interested to see how he interacts with the referee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Osborne's future is in the centre imo. If Barret hadn't come in this season, I think he'd have displaced one of Henshaw or Ringrose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Agree that it would be great to see Izzy push on and get into the match day squad, but none of the Ulster players did themselves any favours at the weekend and no-one is pushing their way in on the back of poor performances, not that Izzy played poorly but the whole team were bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭50HX


    Poor provence performance doesn't really come into it that much.

    It's constantly mentioned here it's how they perform in camp



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,528 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Izuchukwu is injured. I too would have liked to see him come into the squad otherwise.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    While it's fair to say that no Ulster player has earned a place in the match day squads, I think the positives for including Izzy way outweigh the negatives. A space is open in the back row anyway, Okay POM is there but him collecting another cap is going to be meaningless this time next year. If we can't beat Wales without the "leadership" of POM then they should throw in the towel.

    At least with Izzy (or Prendergast/Culhane/Gleason/McNabney), you have a guy who could potentially be the difference maker in next year's 6N and at a minimum could be pushing lads for a place at the next WC. The fallback position of going back to a legend whos best days are behind him has probably been the biggest impediment to the Irish rugby team for the last decade.



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