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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,015 ✭✭✭roosterman71




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭zv2


    Well I would not try to put a positive spin on his remarks. But I'm trying to figure out why he said they started it when he knows they didn't. Recently Boris Johnson said Trump's statements are not designed to be historically correct, he is more interested in provocation.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    He could have clear video evidence of them both with underage persons



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,794 ✭✭✭yagan


    The EU is already supporting Ukraine with sheltering its displaced and if Putin invades the EU after Trump withdraws from NATO then it will finish Putin off.

    The bigger challenge will then become if Trump starts a civil war in the USA then how can we help defeat him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo


    fake news, doctored video, AI…… Its known he is a rapist and they voted him back in



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    There is absolutely no way Russia is planning to invade a NATO country. However they may launch a fresh assault on Ukraine now that Trump has made it clear whose side he's on so as to strengthen their hand for "negotiations"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    I guess calling Zelensky a dictator and that he's done a terrible job in Ukraine is another "provocation"?

    I'm not criticising you, just saying that Trump is an awful human being and the most negative interpretation of his comments is usually quite accurate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    It's very clear Ukraine will be attacked from the north, how Nato don't know this is beyond me. This war is done.

    I predict it will happen within 2 - 20 days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,774 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Trump has completely lost the plot now, I can't see how anyone apart from Russia itself would view these statements as positive.

    The idea that the US President is calling the democratically elected leader of a country that's been brutally invaded by an actual dictator-led autocracy….a dictator….and also somehow responsible for the war, it's mind-blowing.

    Alarm bells have to be going off in the US at this stage because this is less about Ukraine per se, and all about Trump appearing to publicly lean strongly with Russia while strangling century-strong relationships all over the world.

    I don't know what we can believe at this stage. Just last week Trump said Putin cannot be allowed to walk away with anything he can spin as a win. Now he's fondling Putin's ballsack.

    What will next week bring?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo


    watch pretty much every GOP congressman and Senator who supported Ukraine start to change their rhetoric now the spineless gowls



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭Sigma101




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭Field east


    the core problem is not that wheather should/will be peacekeepers or not, how many, drawn from where, etc, etc, etc. The core issue- the elephant in the room- is where is the dividing line that they will try to maintain the peace over . The current / moving front line , the Kursk oblast, the pre 2014 border or where?.????



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,487 ✭✭✭circadian


    If Russia rolls into Ukraine, large scale again and is in any way successful. Trump will try to claim that he got a great deal, stopped the war or whatever while an inevitable insurgency will rage on. By enabling Russia he's doing the exact opposite of what he claims, as usual and if this does play out, any resource sites to be exploited will be huge targets making the entire "best deal ever" absolutely pointless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭zv2


    It's strange. He said they should not have started the war and then said 'they should have made a deal [to prevent the war]' but the deal-making zone only came after the war started. So he's not making sense…

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,064 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    IMG_20250219_165204_827.jpg

    Trump is a lying POS. The US has not spent anything like what he claims and the EU has outpent the US by a large margin.

    This might as well have been written by the FSB.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭zv2


    Meh, that's just rubbing up Trump in the right way, trying to get him on side. Politicians do this all the time.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭swampgas


    IMO, no way Trump wrote that, it's somebody smart trying to sound like Trump and failing. (I'm assuming Trump okayed it though.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    This attack if absolutely flabbergasting and appalling and as I predicted it's now all out attack on Zelensky and also blaming Biden.

    Trump is a total POS and this must be Putin's happiest day since the war started.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,794 ✭✭✭yagan


    With what, donkeys?

    If they're going to invade from the north then why haven't they just taken Kursk back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,010 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    They are always planning.

    Leaks showed a plan to absorb Belarus in the next 5 to 10 years, and also designs on countries like Moldova. They absolutely have plans for the Baltics and further designs.

    Must be kept in mind that the situation now is not necessarily the situation in 5 years or 10 years. The US could leave NATO. If the far right win in any key countries then the EU/NATO could be in trouble (yes this seems unthinkable, but pay attention to all the "unthinkable" things that have happened in the last few years)

    It's there's a fracture in NATO or a fracture in the EU - that's when Putin can make a move. Keep in mind he does things gradually, bit by bit.

    Nothing can be taken for granted anymore.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,010 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Putin apologists and Trump supporters are already entering spin mode and damage limitation - to preempt the usual:

    "Why doesn't Zelensky hold elections, what is he afraid of" - Polls show the majority of Ukrainians don't want to have elections during an invasion. It's very difficult to campaign and hold a national election under such conditions.

    "Zelensky's support is dropping" - He holds a higher approval rating than almost any Western leader.

    "Trump is playing 4d chess here" - He is openly supporting a Russian dictator over the country that is being invaded and over traditional allies in Europe

    "Putin isn't fully to blame for all this mess" - He's a dictator with close to unchecked power, there's nothing in Russia that happens without his say so, to pretend otherwise is to pretend he has no agency.

    Etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    During decades of following politics, national and international, I have never experienced any statement by a country's leader as strange and sinister as this one. Extraordinary!!! What can conceivably come from all of this !!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,879 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Maybe that poster is expecting Trump to pull the plug on American military support very soon, thus massively weakening the Ukranian position? But surely that would take months to filter through fully to the battlefield…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,064 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    🇩🇪 If Russia wins, Germany's spending will increase 10-20 times compared to current military support for Ukraine, — Kiel Institute of World Economy

    From February 2022 to August 2024, Germany provided Ukraine with 10.6 billion euros in aid, or about 4 billion euros per year (about 0.1% of GDP). If Russia wins, Germany's annual spending will amount to 1-2% of GDP. Germany will be forced to increase defense spending, trade and investment in Ukraine will cease, and the flow of refugees will increase.

    This is from a couple of months ago, but still absolutely germaine. Not hard to extrapolate those numbers to every Orc facing European state.

    The Kiel Institute is the de-facto monitoring body for aid provided to Ukraine since the Orcs invaded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    Exactly. All European countries dithering about support for Ukraine need to ask themselves what happens if the situation deteriorates badly from here. There will be millions more refugees and they will end up one place only: the EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    The effect wouldn't be instant but it would limit operations due to lack of ammunition/equipment. They probably have 3 months stockpile of this and hopefully NATO nations could supply what is needed afterwards. European countries need to step up military aid now or there won't be a Ukraine a year from now. Then on to the next victim with Trump's blessing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Zelenski bit his tongue long enough and kissed Trumps arse long enough but imo he should have just soothed his ego because as of right now huge American armourments are going into Ukraine weekly. Don't diss trump until what actually matters stops and that's the weapons supply.

    Regardless it's looking very bad as Putin might as well be writing Trumps tweets. Has Trump the power to stop shipments at a whim or does it need to go through Congress first?

    If the EU doesn't step up now it never will. I'm hoping worst case scenario Europe has to pay for American weapons.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,353 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    i can't believe an american president is releasing statements like that. i hope he gets strung up like mussollini one day. him and his disgusting family and cabinet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,555 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Hence why I said he'd see out the term. He wouldn't stand a chance at re-election.

    The US is doomed to an awful 4 years and the rest of the world will just have to live with it. MAGA, however, should die with Trump.

    The disillusionment with "traditional" politicians won't. We can only hope that next time around they go for a Bernie Sanders style outsider than another grifter like Trump.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,673 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




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