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Plans afoot to look at granny flat exemptions.

  • 19-02-2025 11:27AM
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    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    We’ve been here before but, front page news today!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Allow granny flats is a positive move.
    But this really keeps the door open to non complaint construction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Watch the price of garden rooms mysteriously increase if this plan is implemented.

    My main worry about this allowance is the amount of people who will put them in purely to rent out in order to try and make a tidy profit, market could be flooded with people renting out sub standard properties for extortionate prices.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,924 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    i get at least 2 phone calls a week from people wanting to put log cabins into their gardens for their adult kids, and i have to tell that that planning is needed but unlikely to be granted (think of the typical 3 bed semi situation)

    unfortunately this is as a result of the failure of long term political policy regarding housing in ireland. Pretty much every move mde has resulted in less housing and higher costs. i have an application in at the moment for an extension to a dwelling which will result in 3 generations of teh same family living under the same roof. Thats the reality for a lot of people out there.

    i think this works fine as long as:

    1. its restricted to immediate family members only
    2. fire fighting access is possible
    3. Section 5 declarations are required in every case
    4. building regulation compliance should be comparable to an (non major renovation) "extension" and not a "new dwelling"
    5. the exemption should be term limited (say 5 years, and then a re-declaration required)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    There is no enforcement of planning ompliance as it is. I am ware of one case where planning for garage conerrsion was granted. Permission explicitly stated it may not be let and it was immediately let out. It was built for letting and never for family use.

    Talk of this shows how far behind the curve the government are in having a viable plan to tackle housing. Its a knee jerk reaction and most of these solutions cause more problems.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    These garden rooms or whatever you want to call them will go up in price by 30 percent minimum now. Even though Planing didn't really come into the equation for most people putting them in anyway.

    A funny little country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,206 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,477 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Can see some 70s-90s estates with bigger gardens turning in to shanty towns with this.

    Also, on the 70s estates - there likely isn't water, sewage or even power capacity to handle all of this. If they are just being used to move adult kids out of the main house it isn't increasing demand; but we know full well that loads will end up being rented out and you now have two units, potentially both densely rented, on one plot - times multiple houses on the same street.

    Parking will also become "fun". In my area, larger estate houses are being HMOed - not that we really have the concept here - at a pace anyway, so what were single family homes now have 6+ units, some with two residents in them. Had to get the Guards out one time when two people had parked opposite each other on the road leaving maybe the width of a 1950s Mini between them, on a corner, due to living in those HMOs which have space for maybe two vehicles and maybe double figures of vehicles based there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    House prices will increase too. Imagine trying to bid for a little family home now against the investor who knows they can pack 6 desperate tenants into the house and now squeeze in an additional 2 in a cabin out back.

    The idea is fine if you only consider the scenario of people maybe letting their kids live in a modular unit in the garden. But medium to long term it is a disaster.

    And with government record, any pressure relieved would just be taken as an excuse to sit back until it is soaked up and we are back to where we started, with the additional headache of tens of thousands living in gardens!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    100%, a little 1 - 2 bed that costs about 20 - 40k fully kitted out, will be 100k plus if it goes through.

    Country is full of hungry cnuts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,774 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Where’s the issue if people are prepared to pay that’?



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I think they should allow them but maybe require planning so they can keep control or data on the numbers of these units.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    I was talking more of the cheap log type cabins. But I hear you.

    I can't see many people building top of the range modular homes costing 100k plus in parents/grandparents/family members back gardens to be honest. They cost a good chunk of change and will only rise due to demand.

    What happens if the landowner dies 2 months on after a modular home is built? There's 3 kids, the guy who just built out the back doesn't want to sell but the other two do and they want their inheritance.

    Somebody in their grandparents back garden , they have to go to a nursing home, house needs to be sold.

    You've just sunk all that money into a modular home for nothing.

    A new homeowner isn't going to be too happy with you out their back garden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    A section 5 would would satisfy both exemption and tracking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭deeperlearning


    I doubt these new structures will have separate deeds.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,924 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    What happens if the landowner dies 2 months on after a modular home is built? …..

    You've just sunk all that money into a modular home for nothing.

    the whole premiss of these "modular units" is that they are temporary, transient and easy to move. They are not "built" into a garden, theyre literally dropped in.

    There's 3 kids, the guy who just built out the back doesn't want to sell but the other two do and they want their inheritance.

    Somebody in their grandparents back garden , they have to go to a nursing home, house needs to be sold.

    Like any inheritance, there can be arguments among the inheritors regardless of the presence of a modular unit. ultimately its the responsibility of the executor of the will to sort that out, and you'll find that if the majority want to sell, it will be sold.

    these modular units do not automatically equate to any kind of ownership or possession of the land they are proposed to be on.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Yes, good assessment. S5 Application outlining size of structure and remaining garden space etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,145 ✭✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    It'll be a wild west Irish shanty town debacle with people who don't give too craps about society benefitting.

    There will be no extra services provided to support this: no extra water, power, sewage, broadband, emergency, waste collection, roads, transport, parking, policing, health care, education …

    Other countries have been building cities for millenia, we are still in plasterboard shed mode.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,924 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    why would there be extra services provided?

    the majority of the occupants of these proposed units already live on site, in the house ????



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,145 ✭✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Where does it say it's for existing occupants only ?

    It'll alleviate a problem definitely for people stuck in the box room. They can now move to the garden. 😁

    And the person next door will have 6 lads subletting his garden room partying all night. 😱



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    The majority of these will not be occupied by family, nor will elderly parents wish to down size to a cabin in the garden of the house they used to call home. Where is the independence and comfort in that ? What planet are these people on?

    At a stroke, concerns by planners about density, infrastructure and local services will just magically go away and then reappear as social problems? All the time we still have significant caps on density for new build planning applications. Where is the logic?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,477 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    In an ideal world that will be the case

    Reality is that loads of people will see this as easy money, throw a vaguely insulated shed up and rent it out (and pretend it's rent-a-room income too).

    There's already lots of converted concrete sheds being rented out illegally as it is.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Are these from the same paper, or is it the media reprinting government press releases?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,477 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    This seems like a huge step backwards, undoing years of planning effort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,714 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    This really feels like the government have come up with this idea knowing well it's completely "cowboy". It is more than likely going to benefit more people than it will hinder. But I'd echo what has been said above. If and when things kick off on this the p1ss will be taken to an epic degree.

    I'd also say the romantic idea of granny "downsizing" is really one that isn't in our culture. Very few OAPs I know have an iota of want regarding moving from their homes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,706 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Yeah, they are a no brainer... allowed in far better run countries, than this...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,706 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,486 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    In theory it's a good enough idea and it's workable in some instances but I can see a lot of problems arising both in the short and long term. It's not possible to apply such an exemption to every house/site in the country.

    S5 declarations are fine up to a point but the planners will churn them out based on the advice from their peers in the dept and good planning will go out the window. I think there needs to be strict qualifying criteria laid down and a fast track planning process put in place with a turnaround time of say 6 weeks with no FI's and no appeals permitted.

    In a nutshell I think I'd be generally in favour of such a proposal but only if it is properly regulated. Then again the current planning system hardly inspires confidence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,525 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    The unattributed quote from the civil servant is odd, suggesting that the kids will move into the garden, then the parents will move off site.

    How's that going to work? Either the whole site with two dwellings will be sold to an investor who'll rent them out, then the family will buy two new properties, or the folio will be split, with the kids moving into the main house and the garden house sold as a separate dwelling.

    Kind of implies that the garden house will have the same value as an ordinary dwelling, in which case this is simply a money tree for people with large gardens.

    I don't expect this to have any measurable downward effect on housing costs, but will make life better for families who happen to have a large garden right now (and forget about ever buying a house with a large garden, because those will be priced for development).

    How are housing costs in those countries that have implemented a similar policy? I hear there are loads of cheap gaffs in California.



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