Is Dublin really safe? *Read OP for mod warning*

I am not a snob at all far from it just a realist. I used to be a Labour lefty when younger, but have come to the realisation that there are elements within the working class that keep themselves down, it is not others that do it to their community (as they often claim blaming others, as scapegoats) but it is themselves.

Some sneer (to use your word) at those that want to better themselves in their own communities. It is almost as if they don't want to be viewed as trying at all. There is a fear of those who are educated. Then the bravado kicks in to cover these insecurities.

As the Japanese say they don't want to "lose face", a lot of the working class stuff is image and front. Which at a low level can lead to begrudgery and a chip on their shoulder, at the worst end it can lead to the Dublin riots. That is the reality of the mindset.

It is in stark contrast to the the likes of the stereotypical D4 lads to use an extreme example, more often than not they ooze confidence. Even those who are not the best of them. They progress because of that confidence, and obviously the money/contacts help. Which make it easier. But they would be nowhere without that inbuilt confidence. It is a culture. It is not a forced bravado they believe it, and invariably prove themselves.

I regularly frequent Finglas I go swimming there because it suits me. It was around election time. In the sauna there was a young lad there. His opening line was "Well boyz Gerry Hutch, no1, I am voting for him". He never really explained why though. No mention of any particular policy. An older fella (probably in his 60's plus) there seemed extremely anti-EU and anti government. Again it comes back to the mindset. That was two different generations with a warped mindset, that was how I viewed it. Everyone out to get them mindset etc. So they want to go "anti-establishment".

The impression I get of you is that, you don't want to see the reality. You accused me of making things, up initially. Then I gave various real life experiences both from my own view, and from family you don't want to hear it. You tried to downplay it. It is like you are in denial and take my comments as personal slight, which ironically is proving my point.

Overall in my view, it comes down to a lack of confidence/psychological insecurities that lead to tensions in any unsafe area. The "safe" areas do not have these, there are no underlying tensions that create the angst and a lifestyle that is more likely to lead to trouble.

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Well there's 2 minutes of my life that I wasted.

As previously said you're just a snob. Enjoy oozing confidence with the D4 heads and be careful not to get infected with "mindset" when swimming in Finglas.

Mod Edit: Warned for uncivil posting

Not reading all that but why so coy about where you live?

Why should I tell you? You seem happy to make assumptions, so I will let you do that.

I don't want to know where you live, why should I?

I judge the poster on the quality of their posts not on where they live. I have being called from D4, or someone from the flats on boards which I find highly amusing. Labels solve nothing. They only lead to hardened mindsets.

Okay here we go again, this time its a group of female American tourists staying in a hostel in Dublin 1, Talbot Street area.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/american-women-traumatised-after-dublin-31029803

Middle class areas are quiet that's where rich people like all private estates people are worried about crime in the city centre where there's a mix of every class from working to middle class .there's secuity camera,s all over the city

Dublin’s hospitality sector experienced a 2.5 per cent decline in entertainment spending at hotels, bars and restaurants during the first quarter of 2024 – the most significant contraction since the tail-end of the pandemic in 2021. Tourists are still coming, but locals are not. Since the riots last year, it’s clear that Dublin has an image problem, if not a full-blown safety one.

A new survey by Amárach Research (for the Irish Daily Mail) found that more than half of Dubliners are going into town less due to safety concerns and 40 per cent of people polled across the country have either limited or entirely cut out visits. Eighty-two per cent of those who are reluctant to visit say they’ve stopped shopping in the city, while 60 per cent say they’ve stopped eating out. Retailers in town saw a 90 per cent drop in “Black Friday” sales compared with last year, due to the riots.

You seem to be dismissing official crime stats and then offering alternative stats from vested interests.

If your perception is reality and I've no idea if it is or isn't. But if it is, there's multiple factors I could think of as the reasons behind it.

Relative safety could be one for sure but so could increased suburban living/amenities, online shopping, drink driving limits and so on.

The stabbing around Duke lane is an absolute anomaly.

I go there every Saturday and a good vibe.

It was 3am. **** happens at that time.

Teenagers, McDonald's? What does have to do with anything.

What are the limitations of official crime stats? The stats from the LVA are about reduced business but that is not necessarily coordinated with crime. The FF stats seem to highlight perception rather than reality - and there has been a sustained attack in social media over the past decade, part of a general attempt to undermine public confidence in public institutions and public safety.

I think the point is a justice system cannot work properly we have limited no a prison cells the priority should be the send a person who commits violent crime and attacks people over say a person who has addiction issues and someone who shoplifts I'm not saying shoplifters should be ignored . I.m not a legal expert but there has to be a system that looks at giving priority to violent criminals over say joe blogs drug addict shoplifter like people spend money on food clothes rent before they spend money on buying diamonds or 1000euro iphones . We all have to have priorities as most people are not rich

Lets say there's 2 shoplifters on your street. Would you imprison them in two prison places over two people who violently attacked people to rob their wallets eg there's only 2 empty places left and cells are overcrowded

Thats life when resources are limited there has to be a a compromise

I have heard no word of a new prison being built it would probably cost 100s of millions considering a bike shed costs 300,000 euro to build

I see blokes riding scooters I,ve never seen anyone selling drugs in public .

I never seen anyone shoplifting in any place I go

Judges have to think do I send person x a shop lifter to prison for 2 years. Or someone who is on bail for attacking and old woman and robbing her handbag

We have many problems right now with a lack of resources. Versus an increasing population

At least we don't have a politician sacking 1000s of people who are necessary to maintain the faa air flight control system and to control the spread of bird flue and other serious infectious diseases and healthcare workers who carry out essential work for medical care for emergency workers eg trump and Elon musk

Seems both politicians and business owners are re-evaluating their stance that have perpetuated previously on Dublin in the media. Piece in the Irish Times this morning.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/02/19/at-last-dublin-businesses-are-reining-in-their-panic-over-citys-safety/

"If anything, both politicians and the representatives of city-centre business seem to be backing away from the notion of boots on the ground as the panacea for the problem they have largely manufactured: that Dublin isn’t safe."

Barry Ward, the recently elected Fine Gael TD for Dún Laoghaire, similarly belled the cat on Claire Byrne later on Monday morning: “If you look at the statistics, Ireland is one of the safest countries ... "Let’s not get carried away with the presentation of Dublin somehow is a kind of a new Gotham City. It’s not.”

It's a much busier and more populated place than it was in the past and we document every crime online 24/7 nowadays. I posted an article from 1992 earlier about the waves of attacks on tourists in Dublin. There have always been issues with crime and I for one think it's in better shape than it used to be.

You also have everyone in Ireland that's not from Dublin absolutely despising the place and relishing every crime that happens here and making it out to be far more dangerous than it is. They have threads on that peoples republic of cork forum dedicated to the crimes that happen in Dublin and how much they hate the place, even though horrific crimes happen there too. Homeless woman beaten to death recently and French visitor stabbed in the last while for e.g.

You also have the whole patriot thing that make the place out to be some lawless hellhole compared to the picture perfect ireland before foreigners came. Not just here, loads of British nostalgia pages on social media when Britain was Britain and a far better place with no foreigners or crime. All nonsense of course.

The Americans do it too, Trump does it, makes new york and other cities out to be lawless hellholes when the people living there are happily living their lives.

The rest of ireland have always hated dublin and called it a rough kip and that's a loud voice on Irish social media.