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Local Roads - New Speed Limits

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭creedp


    How common are those limits and how common is to have them reduced further in the rain?

    IIn any case we're on the thin edge on the unevidenced wedge in this country. 50 to 30, 80 to 60, 100 to 80. And sure why not throw on a further 20kph reduction across the board for a bit of rain, effectively making the limits 30/40 and 60 for the majority of the time. Sure who could argue with the logic?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,216 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    again, you're suggesting there's another way, but don't seem willing to explain what way you have in mind. do you want all roads to be individually assessed for suitble limits?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,409 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Wikipedia has the answers you need for your first questions. Countries I've driven in that do weather-specific limits include France, Italy, Czech Republic and also Germany - most state and federal roads are 100, but that reduces to 80 when the surface is wet. You can look up the rest yourself.

    Nobody has proposed weather-specific limits for Ireland, so there's no need to get offended about something that doesn't exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Maybe in the distance future roads will all have electronic road signs, that vary depending on the road conditions?

    I was thinking that on the motorway M50 when they put up signs altering the normal 120km to 80km etc. I suppose the technology is there. And it will be only cheaper it will get.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭creedp


    I'll see your wikipaedia and raise you an official EU Commission report which tells a slightly different story. Seems to me this little country is now in an unique position of being the only MS with a blanket all year around non urban 60kph speed limit

    Theres a few contributors on here acting like the Nasa master technician telling the student to quit his ill informed nonsense and accept the only game in town mantra from his betters

    https://road-safety.transport.ec.europa.eu/eu-road-safety-policy/priorities/safe-road-use/safe-speed/archive/speeding/speed-limits_en



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,887 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    People are arguing round in circles here as to whether a lower speed will reduce deaths etc. The point being missed by many is that there is zero enforcement and the large majority of motorists neither believe the new 60 limit to be sensible or required and as such are not driving to that limit.

    The question therefore should be whether a stupidly low limit being adhered to by maybe 10 percent of motorists will improve road safety. The answer there can only be no as it is resulting in frustration and additional overtaking and even some road rage from what ive seen.

    As suggested above, a very basic audit could easily be carried out on roads deemed borderline. A basic road standard appraisal could be carried out and fatal accident or accident history also looked at. Where criteria are met, 80 limit reinstated. Our council have given a special limit to 5 roads in mayo, perhaps more will be changed in time. I will certainly be taking this up with local councillors to see what procedure was used to upgrade the limits on these roads and whether the process is ongoing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    I came across this road yesterday, imagine driving at 60 km ph on that.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,332 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I would have thought the case for timed limits to be fairly obvious - if you're going to have large numbers of schoolchildren milling about, there's going to be an elevated level of risk for those times.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,332 ✭✭✭SeanW


    If there's no such thing as a dangerous road, then please explain why Ireland no longer builds dual carriageways with median crossings and has retrofitted many that had them?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,093 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    You're using only a metric of road accidents. Local roads are just that, Local roads linking rural communities. These roads have walkers and cyclists, and people entering or exiting their homes or farms. Regardless of the condition of the road, those living on them mostly welcome the opportunity to go about their daily activities with considerably less hassle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,887 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Absolutely. Where roads are stupidly classified, I will say 9 out of 10 are ignoring.

    Local to me is about 9km of good local road between a town and fishing port. Bear in mind these roads were at a time 100kmh and were safe. Its now 60 kmh and NOBODY is driving to that silly limit. If you sat on the roadside, you certainly wouldn't guess the speed limit by observing the traffic go by.

    I can't help feeling that if we still used Mph, government wouldn't have got away with posting 37 mph limits all over the country.

    It's a complete joke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭No_Hope_Club


    You're spouting Boris Johnson levels of nonsense now. 90% ignoring the speed limit accordingto you...no need to ask how you arrived at that number....."if I say 100%, they'll never believe me and 80% sounds too low, so....9 out 10".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭No_Hope_Club


    Who decides what's "safe"? Those who have died on our roads can't.

    The peltzman effect is a theory, not an absolute.

    You don't agree with lower default speed limits, I get that. Fact is that they are part of the road safety initiative and are here to stay on vast majority of local rural roads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭No_Hope_Club


    It's not the roads that are dangerous, it's the users.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,409 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    If you meant "default", you're right, but "blanket" means a different thing, and that would be wrong. The rural roads that carry the majority of traffic have not been subjected to a 60 km/h limit.

    And quit with the persecution complex. Nobody's talking down to you just because we're offering an opposong argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,887 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    If you consider that the chances of getting a ticket on some of these rural roads is near zero, it might be slightly easier for you to understand from your distant viewpoint why practically no drivers are keeping to the stupid new limit.

    It is quite arrogant of you to assume to know better than me when I'm talking about witnessed driving on an L road that I travel daily. This is really the problem. Speeds being set by someone in an office in Dublin or Brussels with zero knowledge of what they are talking about. Yourself for example appear to believe you know everything. I could comfortably see you sit around a table and confidently legislate to reduce speed limits on roads that you have never travelled on and still believe that you are correct while scoffing at someone with actual knowledge of the reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Whether enforced or not, the new limit is the speed a road user should adhere to.

    No matter how well you know a road, or how good a driver etc, you cannot predict what might be around the next bend or commit towards you. That's why lower speed limits on L roads make them safer for all users.

    I don't get the need for people to be speeding everywhere and at every opportunity. What's so bad about slowing down?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,838 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    I used the word 'incident' rather than accident or collision as it is inclusive of all road users -from articulated lorries and heavy farm machinery down to pedestrians and can also be applied to near misses like passing too close and/or at an inappropriate speed (irrespective of the actual legal limit).

    If a road has been incident free for an extened period of time it is reasonable to infer that it is a safe road, definately safer than a road which has has numerous incidents over a similar time period. If incidents aren't reported they can't be recorded or taken into consideration when trying to improve road safety. It is a useful metric to identify where limited resources can be best applied for the best improvement in road safety.

    Road safety is the responsbility of all road users - and those who design, build and maintain our roads, but that's for another thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,887 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    My pensioner neighbours are speed merchants now. They surely are guilty of breaking 37 mph on a good stretch.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,216 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Speeds being set by someone in an office in Dublin or Brussels

    Brussels? Who in Brussels has had any input?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,887 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    See the word OR.

    Thank you for your query. I hope this clarifies matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Where have you been? There has been plenty of local news on it around here. The new speed signs have been erected for ages. Anybody living on, or using, these roads are well aware a change in coming.

    Similar to this most locals are well aware in my locality and all support the changes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭No_Hope_Club


    So your singular experience validates your opinion? What about you being the exception?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    How do you deal with tailgating?

    Say Im doing 40 kph on a bendy country road.. and thats what I feel is safest.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,840 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    A few squirts of your windscreen washer jets any time they get close or else gradually slow right down. Don't brake test them though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,838 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    theory: a coherent group of propositions formulated to explain a group of facts or phenomena in the natural world and repeatedly confirmed through experiment or observation.

    I don't agree or disagree with lower default speed limits, they are what they are - in some instances warranted and in some instances not. Though I suspect a significant number of those who drove at an inappropriate speed (which could be less than the new 60kmh limit on some roads) will continue to do so as enforcement will be so sparse as to be almost non-existent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭dclifford


    I wonder how many people are still driving based on the speed indicated by their SatNav or car based map system. Modern cars can make it that people dont actually need look at the physical road roadsign.

    How long will it take it for maps and satnavs etc to be updated to the new limits?

    7.8kwp South facing, Slane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,332 ✭✭✭SeanW


    If your theory were accurate, then there would be no safety benefits to things like median closing projects on dual carriageways.

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