Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

On your last point - I think it would be a lot easier for the US to force Putin to end his illegal invasion, than it would be for them to force Ukrainians to stop fighting for their life.

Unless he wants to go down the route of using US military to threaten Ukraine. Now, he is enough of a turd in himself to do that, but the diplomatics of it would be bad.

Seems to of gone well this morning in Saudi Arabia. The readout of Rubio - Lavrov meeting from the state department

An appalling vista. However, what we have now isn't what we expected either.

Fcuk Israel, I wouldn't buy a as much as a single bullet off them. They're also in the orbit of the US and the EU needs to get away from anyone associated asap. Korea would love to align as its now at the mercy of China much like Taiwan because Trump won't back them either.

Lets be clear, the EU has royally messed up by outsourcing it protection to the US. Its left the entire continent open to the whims of foreign leaders. We have 50% more population yet depend on them. The deal worked where the US got to extend its power for free by having bases here and we freeloaded off the back of it. It suited them, it only have suited the EU as it then had to support all sorts of excursions by the US in the middle east at the behest of Isreal which created untold death and destruction.

We have a unique opportunity to elevate the EU's position in the world. If we let it pass, we'll become the plaything of China, the US and even Russia. Ukraine is the hill we will live or die on. If we don't, Ukraine will fall, Greenland will be taken, the Baltics will be on the menu and we will end up fighting the Russians (with possible American backing in 3-4yrs).

Leave NATO, create an EU defense force, invest heavily, defeat Russia and the US and others will wonder whether stepping on our toes is really going to be worth it.

Did you see what that prick me-hole said about a european army? Bloody Ireland.

Europe needs to step the fcuk up and slap this Orange Troll and the Russian despot down.

Hold up, people are getting carried away with a “stab in the back” conspiracy theory which is being amplified by Russian propaganda

What has actually in concrete terms actually been agreed or has occurred ?

With Trump it has always been watch what he does not the what he says, and neither Trump nor Putin are known to adhere to anything they “agree”

People seem to be jumping to conclusions and the Russian trolls are delighted to amplify fud and sow divisions Trump has created but actual reported verifiable facts are far between

People are jumping to conclusions for a reason. To use an analogy, effectively Roosevelt and Hitler are negotiating about the war in Europe without Europe.

Unthinkable stuff but here we are, every US president, even Reagan (especially Reagan) would be spinning in their grave over this.

As for facts, we're all waiting for them, I even expect a few surprises, and possibly even some interesting approaches to the war and post-war security BUT, and that's a big but, it's all being done under this incredible shadow which naturally has every right minded person suspicious and on edge.

'' no peace keeping troops allowed in Ukraine''

'' no security guarantees whatsoever''

Have they really said either of these? Can't see any basis for negotiation so…

As it stands Trump looks like a fool, as Ukraine gets zero in such a deal, lets see how tough Trump needs to get to make Russia buckle , he did say before he'd arm Ukraine to the teeth if Russia doesn't agree a deal

Agree

The only thing Trump can do is withdraw US support for Ukraine completely but this has the potential of seriously backfiring back on himself, and this hasn’t actually happened at this time

So the only concrete thing we have is a theatre show with everyone scratching their heads going WTF which is normal with anything to do with Trump circus show

The article linked earlier amounts to “we agreed to talk about talking more”

Kind of reminds me of how in some companies hold meetings about holding meetings with nothing concrete actually happening

People need to wake up to the fact that America is no longer an ally of Ukraine or the EU. It's a country on the road to a full blown Authoritarian regime.

Trump doesn't want Ukraine to get a good deal.

He wants his Authoritarian buddy to get a good deal.

He wants the US to get a good deal and he wants a good deal for his own pocket. Don't be surprised if the US gets some access to the Ukrainian rare earth metals(that Russia controls, which is the majority of it), or Russian oil or gas, and I would be even less surprised if some of those companies will be linked to Trump.

Your post concerns me. It seems like you're advocating for alienating Europe from the rest of the world, building a world-class defense force, and then going to war with the belief that an EU defense force could defeat the second-largest active military in the world.

You can’t build an EU defense force overnight. It would cost hundreds of billions and take years to develop. Beyond the financial burden, it requires strategic planning, political unity, and massive logistical coordination. Political unity should be a given within the EU, but right now, we don’t seem to have that.

Moreover, alienating ourselves from key allies, particularly the US, isn’t a smart move. Europe is, and likely always will be, dependent on the US for security. We can talk about strategic autonomy, but the reality is that our defense infrastructure is deeply tied to the transatlantic alliance.

As for Israel, while opinions on their politics vary, dismissing them entirely ignores the strategic value they bring to global security dynamics. Whether you like it or not, they’re a significant player in defense technology and intelligence, and a strong alliance with Israel is beneficial for Europe.

Let’s be clear: the EU did drop the ball by outsourcing its security to the US. We became reliant on American protection, which has left us vulnerable to the political whims of foreign leaders. But building our own defense capabilities will require serious investment and a unified vision—neither of which can be achieved by burning bridges with potential allies.

We need a realistic strategy that strengthens Europe’s position without isolating us from the rest of the world and we need a strategy that we can implement sooner rather than later.

Mehole will have zero say in whether it happens but any country that stays outside it should be told you're not getting our help when shìt goes south.

It should be a strictly defensive alliance. No colonial excursions. The US has caused massive global upheaval in the middle east using Europe as a staging post. That should end tomorrow before they start messing with Gaza and leaving another refugee crisis on our plate like they did with Syria/Iraq

Be awfully embarrassing for Russian propagandists to explain why Russia is still at war, if US under Trump just walks away from helping Ukraine

After all they spend three years claiming Russia is at war with US not Ukrainians