Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

Indeed. No one from 5 years ago in their wildest imagination predicted the current craziness at the moment. Which is why we seem to keep getting caught blindsided.

For these reasons we have to factor in unpleasant scenarios no matter how far fetched they may seem. A possible fracture in the EU, the US leaving NATO, vastly increased hybrid warfare from Putin, something happening between China/Taiwan, changes in politics (populists, far right) and so on.

If we can come up with something solid and resistant to all that - then we can hopefully keep Putin in his box while his economy slowly rots from within.

Here's the one from 3 days previous.

https://www.osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/512629

I emailed the OSCE to get clarification as I was shocked.

Unless you're suggesting Russia had a secret operation to attack Donbas/ Luhansk? I think the burden is on you to prove that Russia or Donabs were killing themselves before the 24 February invasion. Sounds similar to Russia blowing up its own pipeline conspiracy theories.

Radicalized —> up all night monitoring telgram and fighting the 'bots' etc. The overton window has shifted massively if being in favour of peace and human rights is regarded as being radicalised.

It seems that some here want nothing less than the extermination of the entire slavic peoples in Russia and abroad and not just death but torturing them to death. I don't know why you would find something you disagree with hysterical…

Mod Edit: Warned for trolling

You do realise the OSCE reported on Russian involvement

Here's a summary, do you want links to the OSCE reports themselves?

Key Findings from OSCE Reports (2014–2021)

1. Unmarked Troops & Advanced Weapons
   • The OSCE observed military convoys moving across the Russian-Ukrainian border into separatist-held areas.
   • They reported Russian-made advanced weaponry, such as T-72B3 tanks, which were never in Ukraine’s inventory before 2014.
   • OSCE monitors identified Russian soldiers without insignias operating in Donetsk and Luhansk.
2. Presence of Russian Military Personnel
   • Multiple prisoners of war (POWs) captured by Ukraine admitted to being active-duty Russian soldiers.
   • OSCE noted that bodies of Russian soldiers were transported back to Russia, suggesting their involvement in combat.
3. Electronic Warfare & Military Logistics
   • OSCE documented Russian electronic warfare systems, such as RB-341V "Leer-3", used for drone and communication interference.
   • Reports noted a steady flow of fuel, ammunition, and heavy military equipment coming from Russia into occupied territories.
4. Border Crossings & Restricted Areas
   • The OSCE Border Observer Mission (2014–2021) was stationed at two Russian border crossings but was restricted from monitoring other key locations.
   • Despite restrictions, OSCE monitors observed troops moving from Russia into Ukraine in unmarked vehicles.
5. Ceasefire Violations & Russian Command Control
   • The OSCE recorded thousands of ceasefire violations, often initiated from separatist-controlled regions.
   • Intercepted communications suggested that separatist forces were receiving direct orders from Russian officers.

Russian Denials & Disinformation

• Russia consistently denied involvement, claiming it was a “civil war” between Ukraine and “local rebels.”
• The "little green men" (unmarked Russian troops) used in Crimea were similarly seen in Donbas but were described as “volunteers” by Russia.

It's important to keep dragging up the same old debunked nonsense as (1) it provides a good laugh at the stuff some people allow themselves to believe but more importantly (2) provides some nice refreshers for people on the litany of reasons that gave Russia no choice but to engage in a genocidal invasion, lest we allow ourselves to forget. Admittedly there may be 20 reasons surely one of them only needs to be a quarter true to justify the genocide surely.

Maybe they have figured out or have been told the reality of how things really are.

Can you give more details in your posts instead of just a one liner that means nothing?

What reality do you think it is? and please provide sources with the reality you think it is.

I suspect we're going to see a laborious recycling of every talking point again under the guise of "just asking questions".

The leaders of Europe's ~450 million population are begging the US, with a population of ~335 million, to protect it from 144 million Russians, who have been repulsed by 30 million Ukrainians for three years, — Ukrainian People's Deputy Bezugla

The EU are trying to act like it's business as usual with a wartime economy.

It seems others are saying similar, that something else is behind this and it's not peace in our time. Knowing Trump it won't be good.

Just saw on another thread that the meeting of the EU is proposing a 700Bn miliary aid package for Ukraine. Hopefully it's true. In your eye Putin (and Trump).

The US's proposed economic 'compensation' deal with Ukraine is 'worse than the reparations imposed on Germany' - The Telegraph

It includes more than just control of the country's critical minerals - it covers everything from ports and infrastructure to oil and gas, as well as the country's larger resource base. It says:

▪️The US and Ukraine should form a joint investment fund to ensure that "hostile parties to the conflict do not benefit from Ukraine's reconstruction";

▪️The US would take 50% of Ukraine's current revenues from resource extraction, and 50% of the financial value of "all new licences issued to third parties" for future resource monetisation. There would be a "collateral charge on such revenues" in favour of the US;

▪️Zelensky "did not expect to face conditions usually imposed on aggressor states defeated in war".

“If the bill had been adopted, Trump’s demands would have amounted to a larger share of Ukraine’s GDP than the reparations imposed on Germany under the Treaty of Versailles,” the article says.

If they signed this Russia would be keeping conquered territories and the US would effectively be taking the spoils in free Ukraine. Obviously a classic Trump tactic where he starts with a crazy proposal and ends somewhere in the middle.

Where did the 160Bn already given come from? i guess the EU is ready for war now.

No idea. Just a rumour no details.

300 billion in frozen Russian assets might help