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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    @brickster69 "Basic human rights for all Russian speakers in Ukraine"

    Comedy gold. No basic human rights possible or offered for ruSSians in ruSSia, but vatnik wants those in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I would doubt the sincerity even now of any peace deal offered by Putin but even if what you are saying were true, given that Russia previously invaded Ukraine 2014 and repeated the aggression years later, historic behavior would indicate that they will keep trying Everytime they have the means to, in which case the strategy is identical to a simple playground bully situation. In this simplified scenario the bully says "I won't hurt you if you give me the money in your pocket", a nice peace deal you might say but the correct action is to smash him in the nose with all of your strength and in return get beaten up and lose your money anyway. It sounds counter intuitive but it may prevent the bully coming back again next week , " not worth the trouble"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Demilitarization and denazification

    @brickster69 Of Russia?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    De-nazification = stop having a national identity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,524 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Well, they haven't equipped their own troops and treated them with any of those basic human rights whilst stationing them in occupied Ukraine. If they don't treat them with dignity, why should the Ukrainians?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,069 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has rejected a proposal by a U.S. congressional delegation to sign a memorandum that would receive 50% of all mineral reserves in Ukraine.

    According to the Washington Post, "Zelensky politely refused to sign", which was confirmed by the Ukrainian president himself, who announced that he refused to sign an agreement with the US on Ukrainian mineral deposits, estimating that it "would not protect" his country at this stage.

    "I did not authorize the ministers to sign the agreement because it is not ready. In my opinion, he does not protect us," Zelenskyy said on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference, adding that such an agreement should include "security guarantees" for Ukraine.

    But "I don't yet see in the document this link" between minerals and protection, he added.

    Trying it on would be a wholly inadequate description.

    Seems like the US is trying to lay the groundwork for assassination of Ukraine's positive image to try and make future negative actions against them seem justified.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    It refers to Banderas

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukraine-tells-israel-to-stay-out-of-debate-about-honoring-nazi-collaborators/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It refers to Russian propaganda. Historical whataboutism used to justify invasion.

    If you want to play those games, Russia joined with Nazi Germany to invade Poland.

    It's a deflection technique. Note how you keep falling into these.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “Seems like the US is trying to lay the groundwork for assassination of Ukraine's positive image to try and make future negative actions against them seem justified.”

    Got it in one - and also excluding Europe is proof positive they wish to control the narrative throughout as well as the outcome


    America- we’re not as fcking DUMB as you are - stop trying to treat us as such


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14401265/donald-trump-europe-ukraine-russia-emmanuel-macron.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭yagan


    Doubly ironic there's Russian speaking ukranian battalions fighting against Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Europe should 100% back Ukraine for the long road. Military wise and political wise. Ukraine and Europe are not only standing up against Russia and Putin there also standing up against the US and Trump and what way there becoming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,655 ✭✭✭Infini


    Its existential for Europe so support is a given. The Felon and Cringelord in Washington will try all sorts of BS but the day is coming where they'll end up either being forced by various factors to continue aid or they'll find themselves hit in the pocket through counter tarriffs by the EU on their stronghold states and their buisness interests restricted in the EU (looking foward to the day Musks Xcrement network is banned in the EU due to his deliberate bullshit peddling and promoting of Vatnik/Nazi Propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    Lets not forget the largest group of Nazis in Ukraine at the moment.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexey_Milchakov

    Funny how "The friends of russia" (Conveniently) forget about these guys!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Theres only one regime involved in this war, and thats Putin's one. Ukraine has an internationally recognised democratically elected government and president. Putin's regime (and richly deserved name) has never had an internationally recognized Presidential election. From day one, it has been a regime with a dictator Vladimir Putin at its head.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,839 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    VV



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,774 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Once again I remind people that this particular poster was busy on another thread talking about how Iran's world-class air defense system has Israel running scared and completely thwarted Israel's attack, which experts acknowledge severely damaged Iran's already world-understood to be pitiful air defense network, and when asked for a link it was, and no joke….Iran state TV.

    It is actually sad that someone could be so anti-US and anti-West that they are automatically pro every despotic regime going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,774 ✭✭✭Homelander


    The tide is turning because a notoriously pro-Putin head of state who has brought EU sanctions on his country and seen huge domestic protests comes out with another statement effectively fondling Putin's ballsack.

    Clutching at straws doesn't even begin to cover it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭REDBULL68


    No matter what the deal is Ukraine have been victorious ,putin wanted it all and the brave Ukrainians have stopped them taking all of the country, They stopped the Russian army ,let that sink in , no other country can say that in modern times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭Repo101


    The main problem JD Vance and others of his ilk will have is that convincing Ukraine that Russia will again sign an international agreement and stick to it is disingenuous. The big problem with ending this war will be convincing Ukrainians that Russia can be taken at its word and like the US, Russia thinks it can do what it wants. The other elephant in the room is that Ukraine is hugely dependant on the US. The outlook is grim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,277 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The high level diplomacy continues at a pace as US secretary of state Marco Rubio and Russian foreign minister Lavrov spoke by phone yesterday.

    Great to see lines of communication opening and discussions on global issues being discussed also.

    https://archive.is/Kags5

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭Field east


    since the US is pro Putin ,UKr should keep miles away from Saudi Arabia. The US is NOT an objective mediation/facilitator . That’s CLEAR for all to see. It tried to play the same roll in the West Bank / Gaza conflict - we all thinking that it’ heart was in the right place but we now know what side the US is on - at least under Trump



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "I saw someone saying that there will be a meeting in Saudi Arabia at the level of the presidents of the US and Russia. Some kind of peace talks. They even put up our flag... I don't know what this is. This is not serious,"

    -Zelensky

    The chaos of the Trump clown-show surrounding this is something to behold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,456 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    It's a weird mix. The response of the Americans is making the situation grim. But on the battlefield, while Russia is engaged across the entire front, little to no currently visible progress is made. With evidence suggesting they have burned through an incredible amount of their Soviet era stockpile and the remainder is in poor condition.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,161 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    Except since the present US administration is either directly compromised by Russia and/or fanboys/useful idiots of Russia; the "diplomacy" is the same as having a conversation with yourself. The US doesn't get to decide the fate of other sovereign nations, no matter the delusions of Putin's orange puppet nor his fanboys posting on internet chat boards.

    Post edited by relax carry on on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


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    A year to the day that they killed Navalny. Poisoned with nerve agent, then thrown into a remote penal colony. For daring to run in opposition. Nemtsov, Magnitsky, Litvinenko - Putin kills his own kind. Often in a tell-tale way to show the world he did it.

    Amazing to think we had a Putin appreciation thread here. Strange individuals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    https://www.wsj.com/world/russia-ukraine-slowing-advance-reasons-9debf4e1

    The advance of the orcs has completely stalled in the east of Ukraine. Massive casualties and huge losses of weapons. If Ukraine continue to maintain the pressure it will collapse like it has many times before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    The best thing the Ukrainians can do is boycott the talks.

    Let Trump meet up with his ruzzian allies, let them talk sh1te and issue whatever statements and edicts they want. Ukraine can just ignore it and carry on continuing to bleed the orcs dry. The reaction of the Europeans to increase support to Ukraine secures their long term ability to continue the fight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    This is all incredibly embarrassing.

    What was the point in fighting the last 3 years if in the end Putin wins anyway.

    Hard not to strike similarities between 1939 and now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,133 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I don’t think Trump and his minions see Ukraine as a country.

    He probably has ideas for it similar to Gaza.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    He's delighted Hungary are in NATO and says his heart is with Ukraine. He says Russia is a militaristic nation whose main priority is keeping Russia together and democracy is not their priority.

    Ukraine posed a threat to Russia or at least that's what Ukraine thought.



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