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Sunsynk (DEYE) Hybrid Inverters

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,129 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Make sure you test when the inverter is offgrid (turn Main AC isolator off), L-N is 230, N-E is 0V and L-E is 230. If the E-N bond is lost, L-E is 115v -ish N-E is 115v ish, but L-N is 230.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭tnegun


    Yes I will do that, the manual with my inverter shows a relay that should close the E-N bond. I bought a contactor for that purpose too but am hoping it's unneeded. I had an issue with the time of use settings tonight the inverter refused to charge the battery after I'd changed some settings. I'm only using the first two programs and the remaining 4 were set to the same start and end time 23:00 with the 5% SOC and no grid charge. That worked fine until tonight and I changed the power on the on the first program from 6000 to 6500. To solve I'd to set the 4 "unused" programs to charge from grid, 100% SOC and 6500 for power. Am I using them incorrectly?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,129 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Yeah I have my unused ones to be 15 minutes apart, so the entire day is "scheduled"

    Eg first one is 00;00 to 02:00, 02:00 - 6:00 , 6:00-615, .... And the last one is like 08:00 to 00:00



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭tnegun


    Thanks again for this and for the sake of anyone else following I had a floating earth on the load terminals with the grid isolated. I've installed the contactor now and its creating the E-N bond with the grid down.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,129 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    This is why I have trust issues 😂

    Test, verify.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭tnegun


    Do any of you have any issues with the inverter keeping time? I thought I was having issues with one of the TOU programs, but it was actually the clock that was almost 10 minutes slow. It's set to sync, too, and there's no issue accessing public NTP servers from the subnet it's on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,471 ✭✭✭championc


    Yep, mine drifts by a few minutes each month. I have sync ticked too, but clearly, it can't be working with an NTP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    That's strange, I've never seen an issue with mine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭S'


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    Power gone since Friday morning. House was running off battery power until this morning. Got a small 2kW geni wired up to Deye and is now powering tv, wifi router and batteries.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,129 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Need a longer lead, get the generator out of the shed!

    But great to have that backup, "ready for the zombies"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 D_Eng


    Has anyone used the BPE versions of these? Power likely to be gone until 05/02 for some family. Looking to see what I can pick up on short notice, along with a battery. Already have some panels stored for a rainy day project.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭randombar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭S'


    It's a small 2kW Pacini inverter geni that I borrowed from a friend. Can't seem to find same model online.

    Did the job for a few hours but if i was buying one, i'd get a 4kW version.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Abromavich


    So just to clarify for the load port acting as a backup supply. Is just an extra live needed from the consumer unit (from change over switch) to the load of the inverter? The existing earth & neutral that are connected to the grid can be used? So if doing an install a 4 wire cable can be used? 1 live for grid & 1 for load + the earth & neutral?

    Or is two separate 3 core (L, N, E) needed



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,129 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Separate cable. Also been proven that the manual can't be trusted to have an internal E-N bond either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭tnegun


    I eventually got onto the Pinergy rate, but it seems my CT is underreading by about 50-100w. I know it will never be perfect with zero import, as the inverter needs time to respond to loads etc. Do you guys see something similar? I'd rather not try replacing the CT cable or installing a meter, so for now, I've adjusted the CT ratio slightly to attempt to compensate so will monitor the impact of that for a few days. I'd rather export 50-100w from the battery than import it but was wondering if there was a better/alternative solution?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,129 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Adjusting the CT ratio won't do it as the zero point is off, changing the CT ratio will only change what is being read at "higher" powers.

    What they really need is an offset, they do have one to make it import more, but ideally it would go negative too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,627 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Not even with a meter will you get true 0 import anyway so don't bother.

    If 10-15kwh on day rate get through a month it's not the end of the world if you export enough 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    double post

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Asked this before but wasn't fully sure if possible. Will the system run without a CT clamp? I'd rather just get my system up and running. Having to splice ethernet cables and pull it through 30 metres of underground duct just to get it back to the distribution box is a whole seperate job for another day. I've heard the CT clamp is only really essential for systems where zero-export must be guaranteed?



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,129 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    It will generate solar, and if you put it in solar sell mode, without a battery it will just output whatever solar is available.

    You can't use the battery without the CT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭tnegun


    I'd a bit of time to look at this again today and I've configured Zero export power to 5w from 0w and there's a marked improvement on the stability of the import I'm observing. When I started investigating with it set to 0w it was hunting a lot and fluctuating rapidly between 0w and 200-300w, I tried 20w and it immediately settled down to 20w-30w so I went for 5w and if reduced further while maintaining the same stability. There was no one home all day so no real fluctuating loads and I changed to 20w around 15:00 and 5w around 18:30. You can see the impact below. Looks like setting Zero export power to 0w was a bad idea!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,627 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Depends on weather too, when it's cloudy it almost never trickle imports, you'll have to wait another week until the sun comes out to test it



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,129 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Interesting, mad swings before setting it to 5w, I might have to try that too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭tnegun


    It was your post that put the idea in my head at 0w the inverter doesn't have a reference so ends up hunting 0w with 5w it has something to measure so more accurate is my thinking now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    I have been giving planning permission to get a home battery for my setup from the financial controller (herself 😋) but I dont know the best way to do it with my setup.

    I have been thinking of getting a Sunsynk 8.8kW hybrid inverter that will have to power to charge batteries at up to 190Amps so I can best use short tariff windows and maybe this dynamic pricing that will be coming.

    two options are; 

    1. Rip out my existing 6kW solis inverter and just replace it with the Sunsynk or,
    2. Install a Sunsynk as a separate AC Coupled battery system to my existing Solis PV inverter.  

    Advantages of replacing my Solis with the Sunsynk would be simpler just get an electrician to replace it and add a DIY battery. But from reading here I might run into trouble with my NC6 and might need an NC7. Also I am a bit worried that the Sunsynk would be a bit louder that my auld Solis which is currently in my utility room and I dont have too much space there anyway, two DIY batteries as most. But the Solis is right next to the consumer board.

    Second option is to install a separate 8.8kW Sunsynk in my garage which is joined to the house and attached to the utility room (2-3 meters at most of wiring to the Consumer board). This would be a separate AC coupled battery system. I have loads of space in here, no issues with noise etc and I can expand as required. I think I am answering my own question, having the separate AC coupled system might be the best option even with more system losses etc

    Also what is the best system for backup power if I were to implement. I know it a bit more complicated needing changeover switches etc but this is one thing that she wants after the last storm debacle even though we didn't lose power at all.  

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,627 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Just one wrong assumption about the charge rate, you will NOT get 190a from the grid as that's almost 10kw which the inverter cannot do, 140a is about the most it will muster as that's around 8kw.

    The 190a ca happen from PV of you have 10kwp of panels or thereabouts.

    Personally I would move all of it to the garage, will give you plenty of expansion room, I moved all my gear from the attic to the shed and so much better. You could easily run all the new cables yourself and then get a spark to connect them in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Cool, just read that 190A off the spec sheet but didn't look into the details and that would be straight from the PV to get those numbers. Anyway 8kW charging is very good and would make the difference if I got 30kWh of batteries it would practically fill them over the 3 hours considering I won't be starting from 0 or going to 100% everyday.

    Think I will just set this up in the garage.

    I saw from a few posts back there was a fella on ebay selling them from Germany. Is this still the best place to get a Sunsynk.

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭tnegun


    I found the ebay seller and he was the best value at the time as there were secondhand inverters for the same price the time so doubt it has changed too much in a few months. Also being a European seller I was a bit more confident in it and the inverter arrived a few days later with proper tracking etc. What MIC do you have? I'm on 12kVa so max out at about 10kwh per hour into the battery.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    I have a 16kVA connection so I'm lucky I can pump in a but more to the battery, so may as well get the bigger inverter.

    Kicking myself one of the users on here (forget the name) had his 8.8kW up for sale on adverts and I was so tempted to buy it but at the time wasnt sure I was going to do it as the time.

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



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