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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,174 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I wrote Frawley off as a 10 years ago…

    He is a good playmaker from further out in the backline where he was more time and space but he simply is not a 10 and nothing he has done in the last few years has remotely changed my view on that, only solidified it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    There's a photo floating around of a Michael's lad standing on the head of a Roscrea player in the junior cup. I believe it's Boyle's younger brother. He's an absolute unit



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,174 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


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    I'm assuming the head step is a chronic misjudgement while going through a tackle, but yeah a big unit.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,401 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Yeah, but it's not for nothing that he has had no game time. The actual experts, who work with him every day, haven't seen what they want to see in him. It's a tough game and a year ago it looked like Frawley could be an actual option for 10 at international level, but Leinster didn't see that. I think they've become a bit more ruthless lately, which is a good thing for them. Harry Byrne, Milne, Lee Barron have been told they're not good enough and let go play rugby elsewhere. A lot of other players are going to be in the same boat, particularly the back rowers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,500 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Saw them in Rathmines a couple of week ago I think, younger brother is a little smaller than Boyle, what age is he?



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,401 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    He did, and he'll always have that. Those moments can be career-defining, but not necessarily career-making. You need to have the week-to-week solid performances in between snatches of glory to make it at the top. Jannie De Beer and Stephen Donald and many more had such brief glimpses of heroism in otherwise lukewarm careers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,045 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Frawley initially broke through as a 10 at Leinster iirc. He looked very good playing there, but it became a regular occurrence in games that some of his passes went behind the shoulder of the receiver which then stalled the attack.

    Lancaster and Cullen quickly decided that he would be better 12/15 where he would have that but if extra time to pick out his pass or make a kick. I don't think that was the wrong decision either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,739 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah I admire the balls and skill he showed with the drop goal in SA, but that's just a moment and can't be taken as clear indication of how he'll do over a career. The tiny touches throughout the game/season are the basis, not a moment of brilliance.

    I thought the same when Prendergast did the chip and volly which Deegan caught in a leinster game (against Bulls, i think) in SA last year. It was a brilliant moment but it's just one data point. It doesn't actually tell you how he'll perform over the medium term.



  • Posts: 146 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Despite all this discussion Frawley is probably only one injury away from being back in the Ireland match day squad as a 23rd man. We're not overflowing with in form IQ out halves, especially ones who can cover multiple backline positions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭exiledawaynothere




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭50HX


    Looks like Doris out for the Wales game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,045 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    The 42 rugby podcast mentioned yesterday that Doris might miss the Wales game.

    I think we'll be alright without him, especially as Conan is playing so well. Better to let him recuperate as much as he can for the France game. There's another two week gap for that game as well so he has plenty of time.

    Post edited by Clegg on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭exiledawaynothere




  • Posts: 146 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's difficult to say if it's "similar" based on the image. I presume you're referring to the stamp against the French. The Claw already had a deserved reputation as a dirty thug and was looking straight down during that incident and deliberately tried to damage him. If the same incident happened today to someone with his previous they might not play for a couple of years.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,174 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Ugh, reports that they are going to go POM as captain for Wales on the back of this which is just depressing (and stupid, to me anyway).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭exiledawaynothere


    The claw was probably number 9 on the list of ‘thugs’ on the pitch that day. And many players from the four provinces who played against France in PdP for many of those years know what was done at the bottom of rucks and in mauls which did not feature in the highlights reel of the French director.

    That picture was sent to me on WhatsApp with an element of pride and admiration. While probably not intentional, it is being celebrated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,105 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    Was really hoping we would go Ryan and Ringrose joint captains. :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭exiledawaynothere


    he played well against Scotland. He is a proven leader. Why do Irish people hate him so much?



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,174 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    He was ok against Scotland.

    I won't be thrilled if he starts, but I can get over it. Making him captain when it is almost certainly his last season just seems like deeply short-term thinking. There is an absence of proper leadership in the Irish team and I don't think you solve that by picking a player past his best who can barely do 60 mins at this level just for his leadership ability.



  • Posts: 146 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm fine with POM captaining Ireland against Wales, especially if having his leadership on the pitch allows Easterby to be more adventurous in his selection. An experienced core with some new combinations is the right way to go with a grand slam in play regardless of how poor Wales have been.

    We also learn very little by throwing a bug number of lads in without maintaining some continuity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,105 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    It's a gimme game against the worst team around. We should be using it to give other lads games. We get zero benefit from playing POM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭Packrat


    This.

    Its provincial bs. Nothing more sophisticated that that.

    Any method of attack will do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭ersatz


    agree, he’s the next best captain after Doris and it’s a grand slam run. Wales might be a gimme but a consistent and solid performance is vital, alongside the possibility of rotation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭exiledawaynothere


    He brings leadership and a bit of dog to the team. But if the powers that be want Conan, VDF and Baird then so be it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,798 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    POM is hugely respected by the whole squad and many have talked about his inspirational leadership. And it was his idea to relinquish the captaincy.

    Even Farrell talked about how great of a leader he is.

    He's the perfect man to have with your captain out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,322 ✭✭✭✭phog


    But it not just his leadership ability. We're told here thousands of times that Farrell and his coaches see what's happening in training and what's happening during games and the players are selected because they're the best option available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,805 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    There’s a fair chance POM will be playing regardless of Doris’ injury. He did fine against Scotland so why not? But we might yet see Beirne at 6 if McCarthy is back.

    And if no one else is forcing Easterby’s hand, that’s not POM’s fault.

    I agree giving the captaincy to someone else would be a more forward looking move but at the same time, do we have an outstanding candidate?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,500 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Also Doris is a young man and ( hopefully) will be around for years and years, it's not like we need to blood a new captain.



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