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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    He is just salty that only help Russian allies gave are donkeys (he still denies there are North Korean troops involved btw)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Whilst Ukraine was mounting it's counter-attack and pushing Russian forces back from Kyiv in 2022, you were sharing hour long videos from Putin apologist Gonzales and sharing over-the-top views that the world would starve because Russia controlled "half the world's food supply" and "90% of the world's material to make computer chips". Pro-Russian hysteria - we get it.

    Back to reality, Ukraine is not about to "totally collapse", it's in a difficult situation, but so is Russia who can only grind forward in small increments.

    The real concern is currently that the Trump entourage have no plan to end the war, which appears to be case. That they are simply making up things as they go along. The fear is that Trump, who admires Putin, will come up with a plan that screws over Ukraine and Europe in favour of a dictator who is attempting to invade Europe. I don't know where you are from, but last check Ireland is in Europe, and this affects us.

    That said we're still waiting - Trump is erratic enough, and Ukraine is so exhausted with this Russian invasion, perhaps something will come out of this. The signs are currently not looking good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,210 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Here's a thought: what if Zelenskyy turns around and offers all those rare earth mineral rights to the French instead, and Macron says yes?

    Ukraine is already the number one user of Caesars, is France's newest customer for Mirages, they've put no restrictions on the use of Scalp or Hammer missiles, and it's largely French forensic teams that are gathering evidence of war crimes. France is the only ally ever to tell the Americans to GTFO of their country, and they didn't have to give up their nukes because of it.

    As a French resident, I think Trump is doing us a favour: all the time he's creating a lot of noise, he's distracting everyone from the quiet negotiations.

    The French themselves don't particularly like Macron (because he wants to make them less communist), but he's a damn good political strategist. I reckon he has his eye on those mineral deposits, and French boots are being polished right now, prior to being put on Ukrainian ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    I would truly love if that was the case. Slava France!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    You are living in a fantasy land.

    The EU is a joke of an organisation - it's is on borrowed time.

    Europe cannot provide Ukraine with what they need. European leaders have said this, Zelensky has said this. Everyone outside of this thread knows it.

    Without US support

    No patriot missiles

    No Nasams missiles

    No himar rockets

    Huge reduction in all calibre of ammo.

    No spares for existing equipment from F16 to Bradleys to Hummers.

    No starlink

    No US satellites intelligence

    No US enforcement of sanctions

    And the other countless things that Europe cannot provide in the short term.

    What a few of us here predicted a couple of years ago has come to pass. The battle of 'will' was won by Putin and the US has sold Ukraine out. All that is left to see is how many concessions Putin can manipulate out of the Orange donkey.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    If Macron is such a 'good political strategist' why has France lost so much of its traditional support in Nort Africa. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for France to replace the United States as the principal backer of Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,277 ✭✭✭brickster69


    You are a brave man you are, you have had it now coming out with stuff like that.

    BTW you forgot No NATO

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    So, if Ukraine (with financial backing) go to US arms makers with a fistful of dollars Trump will tell them to sling their hook?


    Hang on a sec…


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    your forst mistake is even attempt to read their posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,230 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    well according to this Russian, fighting in the Pokrovsk direction, it doesn’t sound like Ukraine are on the brink of defeat as some would try to have you believe….

    And it certainly doesn’t look like Russia are making any progress…

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    won’t be long before this guy bites it for his dear leader…

    It’s obvious now that any sort of ceasefire will probably benefit Russia more than Ukraine, so now is the time to press them even harder.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,400 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I was about to reply with the same. Europe has a lot of weapons to give and let's not forget it's already giving far from full military support.

    It also is very reach and can buy the weapons off Trumps America. Trump won't turn down billions in weapon sales and if anything that situation would give him the upper hand against Putin and his crumbling economy.

    Again I'll say it the ball is in the EU's court.

    The only update from the frontlines I could find came from a Russian telegram.

    Russian soldiers near Pokrovsk report they are struggling.

    "Ukrainian forces dominate the skies, making movement nearly impossible beyond 3 km from Selydove. Supply lines are cut, leaving our troops behind without food, water, or fuel. Drones and artillery relentlessly target our positions, preventing rotations. Ukrainian electronic warfare exploits gaps in our defenses, leading to heavy losses. Our soldiers suffer in freezing conditions with no reinforcements or equipment adjustments allowed. Constant shelling on rear positions worsens the chaos. Morale is low, with troops feeling overwhelmed and desperate for airstrikes to counter Ukraine’s pressure."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,456 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    It is getting picked up by couple sources. While difficult Ukraine does seem to have it under control for now

    A glimmer of light when your one of your allies looks to betray you.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    You're overegging it a bit. There is European equivalent(s) to Patriot I think but most European countries seem to prefer to buy US or perhaps Israeli air defence systems. Issue is of course making enough of them in a timely fashion for Ukraine, if it can't get any more Patriot missiles. Likely impossible?

    NASAMs has something to do with Norway too if irc as well. A lot of the US weapons are like that, even their F35 jet (heavy UK involvement).

    As regards weapons and parts and such and use of services like Starlink, my belief is still if Europeans or Ukraine pay for it, the US is not going to deny them these, burn down remaining bridges with allies, turn down quite considerable arms sales money etc. solely to pull Putin's burning chestnuts out of the fire and gain a victory for him in Ukraine or something.

    On the US sanctions it is plausible Trump will end them. However it was Europe that Russia had its big trade relationships with pre war, and it is Europe that holds majority of the Russian foreign assets which can be seized and handed to Ukraine. Can't see how the US will make us all buy Russia's oil and gas again or give Putin/the oligarchs back the assets. On contrary, the public statements are US wants to sell us more of its own oil and gas and reduce prices by expanding production…that is bad for Russia IMO.

    Things are looking very bad however as regards future of US in NATO, wider European relationship with the US under a Trump admin. that much like Russia and China, now seeks to crack apart + pressure our societies and destabilise governments to bring parties more to their liking to power.

    Also any US support for Ukraine based on some concept of USs (old?) alliances in Europe, shared values with Europeans, not wanting to see Russia get a "win" in Ukraine and then leverage that to threaten others etc. has ended for good now I fear. Any further support for Ukraine from US will be purely mercenary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    He is living in Russian fantasy land

    Perhaps he can send us a postcard from Moscow when he learns Russian and moves there

    Oh that’s right friends of Russia don’t actually want to live there for some reason despite trying to sell to us how wonderful life under the tzar is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,727 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    US needs thousands of boots on the ground in Ukraine after a deal is done, and not military boots, business boots. US needs to take a huge foothold in their interests there, have partnerships with Ukraine in countless interests of mutual benefit , make it so that Putin can't make a move on Ukraine again, without stepping on US toes. Cover the entire frontline with American held interests .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    The US also liked its allies to back up their wars. That’s seriously undermined now.

    But, will other countries kick the US out of their countries like France? Probably not, they’ll wait until the fool has left the Oval Office. And give the US another chance at acting civilised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    I don't think anyone is taking it seriously tbh. It looks like just another episode in the Ukrainian Cinematic Universe timed for the Munich conference and Vance meeting Zelensky. I expect any day now the Ukrainian SBU will release a recording of two men speaking Russian confessing to the crime, claiming its an intercept. That's normally how these things work.

    Russia has denied they attacked Chernobyl - and why would they? It has no military value. Ukraine has spent the last few months insisting there is 10,000 North Koreans in Kursk, and the best they could produce was two Russians from Tuva so they have form for tall tales. They have form for lying about responsibility for attacks - they spent weeks claiming that one of their air defence missiles which killed farmers in Poland was really a Russian attack on Poland and Article 5 needed to be triggered immediately. And they have form for attacking nuclear power plants. While the western media was in deep denial about who was shelling the Russian occupied Zaporizhzhia NPP for many months, it is clear it was the Ukrainians.

    The lack of reaction by the US is overall a good thing - the Ukrainian government is extremely desperate. If you reward these types of actions, they'll just do more of them. Possibly Vance will tell Zelensky to cut it out when he meets him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Don't think US bases/troops would be kicked out (unless this all gets much crazier and more dangerous, not impossible) but I can't see things going back to way they were for a long time.

    Trump having significant public support and managing to get elected again means it is no longer a one off (like 2016). Americans either want these policies, or don't care, and so European govt.'s must take that into account and respond.

    Even if we get a more sane US govt. in 4 years time that seeks to repair damage done during Trump's term it will be different to when Biden won in 2020. Trust takes a lot of hard work and time to build, but it is quicker to break. The US had a lot of it banked in Europe, and had a privileged position, but it is smashing that to bits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,230 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Russia has denied they attacked Chernobyl

    Case closed then is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,206 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/15/europe-will-not-take-part-in-us-russia-talks-ukraine-kellogg

    In black and white here. Europe will be excluded from US Russia talks on the future of Ukraine though they are welcome to send ideas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    I'm going to need to see some evidence. We could even start with a motive.

    All there is for now is claims from a Ukrainian regime with form for tall tales and attacking nuclear power plants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,230 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    a reminder perhaps that Russia has the ability to have/cause ‘another accident’ almost 40 years on from a ‘previous accident’ in the same place that could have potentially wiped out most of Europe…..

    This is Putin once again trying to intimidate.

    He must have a tiny cock…


    and why to you keep calling Ukraine a regime? Surely your boss, who’s been in power for a quarter of a cent is also worthy of the title regime?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    If he-when, more likely-bites it, only a cheer is merited. Look at the casually racist way he refers to Ukrainians, not once but twice: ''khohols''



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,673 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Are the 'hohols' the Ukrainian army? Also, "Loaves" some sort of truck transport?

    Looks grim for the Orcs. Good. The sooner, the better. The mention of new weapons is good, too, stuff being used to terminate Orcs with extreme prejudice that might be new to the combat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    There are very few SAMPT systems and very few missiles. Ramping up takes years and the geniuses in Europe decided to depend on America rather than the European program.

    NASAMS fire AIM missiles - another American product.

    American doesn't view us an ally, we are a insignificant competitor. That will become very clear over the next few months.

    Once Russia is free to sell it's oil at full price then that helps them. They don't need to sell it to Europe. Gas is trickier. It is potentially some leverage that Europe has on Russia - buy some piped gas with conditions attached. Won't be popular but economic stagnation will force Europe to do things it won't want to.

    Russia would like their assets back but it is insignificant amount compared to what they can make from the resources they have captured in Ukraine.

    As I said 2 years ago in this thread - the US will be the big winners, Ukraine and Europe the big loser. It is too early to tell how Russia will recover.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    I think you're projecting to be honest. I don't evaluate the Russian military, positively or negatively. I don't have the information or capability to do so. It's hard to find any objective analysis in English regarding the Russian military - 95% of it is NAFO tier shovels/washing machines type stuff. The "NATO would destroy Russia in X hour" type posts I do see I class on the same level as people arguing about which of their comic book heroes is stronger.

    I have commented on the obvious problems the Ukrainian military is facing because its relevant to a discussion about if negotiations or war is better for Ukraine. But in that I am relying on the accounts and opinions of either Ukrainian soldiers themselves or observers with at least some experience to make such determinations. You don't need to be Sun Tzu to see the Ukrainians are suffering huge manpower problems, and the side with huge manpower problems tends to lose.

    As for the Gaza riviera? Honestly, it's hard to keep up with all the bitter projection of invented positions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭macraignil


    "Once Russia is free to sell it's oil at full price then that helps them."

    When are you expecting sanctions on putin's terrorist state to be dropped and why do you think Ukraine will stop hitting their oil infrastructure?

    Sounds to me to be a fairly warped view of reality to be so confident that an economy based on flammable fuels that keep catching fire at the wrong time and place and has base interest rates of 21% to try bring down inflation in consumer prices at about 10% to suddenly overtake one of the strongest economic areas in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    So you don’t believe one set of Trump brainfarts while simultaneously trumpeting another set, because it suits your pro neo nazi world view



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,277 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Zelensky at the Munich debacle conference updated the Russian fatality numbers to 250K Russian deaths since the start of the conflict. Obviously he must of forgot about his interview with Piers Morgan 10 days ago where he said 350K Russians had been killed as well as his interview on February 25th 2024 where he said 180K Russian soldiers had died.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    That is a good sign for the negotiations. I still think they will ultimately fail to secure a deal, but excluding the Europeans (many of whom are frankly deluded) is still a positive step as it will reduce their ability to sabotage talks.

    We can still expect the Europeans to try provoke a war in the Baltic Sea, but it seems like the US will tell them to cut that out if they try it.



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