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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭Field east


    What about Molosivh et. Al in the Bosnian / Crotia war , was it . And some of those Germans involved in the Hitler extermination camps. ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,277 ✭✭✭brickster69


    JD Vance's speech in Munich. Pulled no punches on how this new administration see current affairs in the world and in what is going on in Europe especially lately.

    From 22.20 secs

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Crazy stuff from Vance. The Romanian election was cancelled because of a foreign power trying to subvert democracy. He is commenting on internal matters he knows very little about in foreign countries.

    USA is quite possibly lost as an ally and is in serious danger of becoming a dictatorship. It may currently be an oligarchy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭Field east




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    US to provide equipment and air defences for peacekeeping force

    Thats exponentially worse for Putin than having US troops on ground



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭Acosta


    European countries don't need to take advise on laws on such things as abortion clinics or anything else, from a headbanger that thinks law enforcement in his own country should be able to detain woman, if they intend to drive across state borders to have an abortion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭thereitisgone


    The three global powers 🤣🤣🤣, so America China and i guess India are having a meeting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,152 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    It's simple, Putin is the kind of leader they want. Just look at how that Hungarian Quisling sucks him off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,673 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    The originator of the "Pizzagate" nonsense/babies being drained of bodily fluids/… A leading light of MAGA, naturally.

    Crime that he's anywhere anything serious, and that the US Taxpayer is paying it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭technocrat


    Haha what a buffoon going on about free speech yet when a priest tells a few home truths Vance and his boss have a collective hissy fit and embarrassing meltdown on twitter.

    The whole world is laughing at this bunch of hypocritical snowflakes mismanaging the US of A 😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,353 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    The handling of Keith Kellogg, Trumps supposed special envoy for Ukraine & Russia is intriguing. Kellogg is a cold war dinosaur, former US military. His proposed plan seemingly reassured European leaders that Trump was going to continue with more of the same that had already failed - either a temporary ceasefire the Russians had already ruled out or more sanctions, more threats, more weapons, etc.

    For the past several weeks, Kellogg has gone around NATO with his plan but didn't make any contact with Russia or do any exploration of what Russia wanted for peace. This doomed to fail effort would have been approved by European leaders who didn't want any negotiations or any peace.

    And then all of sudden Trump has his direct call with Putin, seemingly having lost patience with Kellogg. When it comes to negotiating the most recent prisoner exchange, he sends Witkoff to Russia, not Kellog. When he announces the US negotiation team, he names Rubio, CIA Director Ratcliffe and Waltz but omits Kellogg.

    It does seem like Kellogg and his plan have lost favour. Its curious if he has been surprised by this, or if he knew he was running as a distraction to keep the Europeans out of the way. Kellogg isn't completely out - he is still going to visit Germany, Belgium and Ukraine but is that just a sign that Trump considers all of these countries too unimportant to be worth a top tier representative?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,880 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    If Putin accepts a comprehensive peace deal now, I think we have assume he doesn't intend to launch another push a few years down the road, so I don't think that really matters…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    If he can keep the troops mobilised and somehow keep spending same amounts for 4-5 years (with our own money being spent in Russia) then Russia becomes a serious threat and not just to Ukraine, yes I know big if but Europe can’t afford to sleep anymore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Putin doesn't want peace. He wants to fracture Europe, fracture defensive alliances, he wants to invade all of Ukraine, he wants more territory for Russia. He will never ever stop unless stopped.

    It's his invasion, he started it, he can end it any time.

    Switch on Russian TV, they talk of nothing else but invading Europe and nuking European cities. The entire regime hinges and operates on war and aggression.

    Reading posts like yours is like reading someone who thinks that Hitler just wanted peace and why can't we talk peace with him.

    Maybe Trump will do some sort of temporary "deal" with Putin, but it will be on Putin (Hitlers) terms. It's unthinkable but here we are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Trump wants to fraction Europe too by the sounds of things this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,277 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Might be sooner than that. It won't take too long to strip a few thousand washing machines, produce a few million extra shovels, import a few hundred thousand donkeys and a couple of million of those stealthy North Koreans from Pyongyang to start up an offensive towards Lisbon.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,861 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    We've had this. For some it's in living memory. Sudetenland was ceded to Hitler in 1938 who then went on to annex the entirety of Czechoslovakia.

    We know how this ends, despite what the Russian apologists say. We can at least be thankful that instead of a powerful enemy, it's a dysfunctional sh*thole at the Eastern periphery with a braindead husk of an establishment. Russia is not the Third Reich but that's mainly because it's got a piddling wreck of an economy and a deeply corrupt establishment that has drained it dry thanks to an intellectually bankrupt peasant that's too stupid to see it's been ripped off.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,069 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    SBU believes the Chernobyl drone hit was intentional due to the nature of the warhead used and was not an accident.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,688 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Vance, Trump and Musk are in the long term nailing it down that the US are gonna become far less relevant in global politics and geopolitics. Their love of tyrants and genocidal maniacs will leave a long stain on the US going forward.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    I think the horrified reactions by European and Ukrainian leaders to the news of negotiations are a better indication of who doesn't want peace.

    As for the rest: George Orwell in his dystopian novel 1984 described the concept of doublethink, the ability of Party members to hold completely contradictory ideas and believe both of them to be true. Doublethink seems to be alive and well. We're expected to believe that Russia is poised to conquer all of Europe with its terrifying military might AND Russia's military is a laughable non-threat that is being slaughtered by the millions AND Russia is totally defeated in Ukraine AND Putin doesn't want peace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Ah jebus

    Orwell road dweller quoting Orwell now while using double plus good perversion of reality

    Give this guy the Ironic Toilet 🚽 of the month award

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭vswr


    I think we need a (weekly?) reminder of the book "The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia".

    This book, written in 1997, is taught a various levels in the Russian educational system, and particularly, military academies.

    This is a blueprint of Russia's global aspirations and how to manoeuvre Russia back into the greatness of the USSR.

    It has notable entries which have actually been achieved (discredit democracy in the west, split UK from Europe)…

    The Russian's put on a baby face internationally, when all you have to do is see what they teach in the likes of this book to see what they really think.

    TLDR version: https://demokratizatsiya.pub/archives/Geopolitics.pdf

    Wikipedia link with mappings of whats been achieved so far from the book… Foundations of Geopolitics - Wikipedia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    On display is either a lack of understanding or not wanting to understand or something else.

    It's the equivalent of a rapist and the victim. Everyone wants the rape to stop. The victim needs to be saved, the rapist needs to be punished.

    Not individuals like you though. Bizarrely you want to apportion blame to "both sides", they are as "bad as each other" in your eyes, and you think it's fine to approach the rapist to discuss terms. By a remarkable coincidence you've expressed validation of the rapist, and you hate supporters of the victim.

    I'm pretty sure none of this will actually go in, but it's not for your benefit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,525 ✭✭✭RedXIV


    I know there is a lot of chaos in the news at the moment but when you take a step back away from the mania, there are some shining lights out of all this.

    Firstly the idea that the European military is essentially sitting around twiddling their thumbs for the last few years is nonsense, we know factories have been stood up, we know production of munitions have gone up, we know purchases from the states have occurred, we know joint military exercises have happened, we may have lost the US in NATO as a trustworthy ally but we gained Finland and Sweden who are much closer to home and far more invested. I know Ireland is lagging here in our commitment to defense, but I wouldn't take the lack of extravagant headlines about military dominance from the EU to mean that there hasn't been a lot of activity over the last few years to bolster an EU focused bloc. Yes it would have been nice to have the states with us, but there is a lot of capability in Europe also.

    And this drives another point, the more Trump, Vance and the rest of cartoon characters from the states appear to be completely detached, the more opportunity we're seeing from Europe to step into a more independent role. Macron has shown quite a lot of determination to help Ukraine repeatedly but the chaos in the white house appears to have stiffened spines in a few EU leaders also. It's hard to discern from all the noise around Trump but there is enough to be optimistic about in Europe's ability to fend for itself.

    The graph showing EU sending 3x the aid that US did is a marked contrast in how we differ from the states. We are getting stuff done and ignoring the need to blow trumpets about it all. The states have "sent" 60bn in aid, but we know a lot of that stayed in the US anyway. I guess this is where the difference in maturity is showing, Europe doesn't feel the need to be as pompous as the states, but perhaps we're focusing on them so much simply because we like watching a car crash in motion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭zv2


    "Reasonable settlement" ~Vance

    Wha? These Neanderthals are spouting platitudes and talking down to people like they are children. There is no reasonable settlement except the one that comes out of the barrel of a gun.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭Field east


    this post reminds me of the three things - as per that Finnish intelligence officer-that are critical to the continuation to the perpetual continuation of the Russian K’way of life’ especially in the upper echlions of it, namely:-

    (1)There must be a powerful leader at the top and which exudes all kinds of strength - be it being deep sea diving, riding horse bareback, jumbo expert, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc
    (2) the regime must have a religious dimension - we can see this with the head of the arc church having had ‘close contact’ with Putins security apparatus ,. Also Putin lighting candles on occasions in churches, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

    (3) Russia must be ALWAYS at war or/ and - from a public perception- being under pending attack from whoever. NATO /US is currently filling that roll



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Classic stuff 😂. This cheered me up, thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭zv2


    "There's a new sheriff in town" ~Vance

    Sigh. These guys think world affairs are a cowboys and Indians game. They really do.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭zv2


    @Sand "We're expected to believe that Russia is poised to conquer all of Europe with its terrifying military might AND Russia's military is a laughable non-threat that is being slaughtered by the millions AND Russia is totally defeated in Ukraine AND Putin doesn't want peace."

    What about Russia + N. Korea? Russia + China? Russia + Iran?

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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