Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Here is where your mask has slipped imo.

That you can find justification in a Hamas act, like justifying if they had held onto the hostages, is surely totally hypocritical, given the way they got those hostages? And surely gives anyone on the israeli side the right to see some sort of justification for their stance after the October attack.

Go way outa that with your holier than thou rhetoric after that for me anyway.

Similarly, I won't be expressing gratitude to Israel either when this is all over.

The only congratulating I see going on is those "expressing gratitude to Hamas". When I see that written down coldly like that, it is horrific.

I have answered a number of your questions, you keep reframing the question.

Well done the restaurant staff- as if there isn’t enough trouble going down without trying to stoke the fire just to sell newspapers- gutter press-

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/feb/14/news-corp-team-confronted-after-alleged-attempt-to-provoke-staff-at-sydney-middle-eastern-restaurant-ntwnfb

Incorrect. A reply talking about something that I haven't asked isn't an answer, and any reframing of the question was requested by you

First you replied with legal something something on a question I didn't ask, which was v odd but perhaps it was meant for another poster and you made a mistake? Fair enough if so, accidents happen and I understand you have a lot of people asking you questions.

When I pointed this out, you told me you couldn't answer my actual question because of how it was worded, so I went to the bother of updating accordingly, and accommodating your request.

Seems like I was more the fool because normally when somebody accommodates you, manners would dictate you then accommodate them in return and address the point, which is quite straightforward.

what specific actions that Israel have carried out do you condemn, with regard to their treatment of Palestinian civilians during this war??

That old chestnut. Again.

If this is your only tactic left, you're grasping at straws.

Feel free to post a cogent argument in favour of your position if you like. But it seems to me you simply have none - otherwise you would have done it already.

Like when one enters a hospital dressed as doctors and nurses to kill patients in their beds?

Did you condemn the Israelis for that war crime?

Of course not.

You don't even have to look at potential war crimes against Palestinians. They actually committed one on day 1 (in response to Hamas' war crime on that day I'll absolutely add) AGAINST THEIR OWN CITIZENS…. but what with them being a state actor, this amounts to legal justification and is difficult to prove…. even with an admission….

A dishonest poster on here which is why I only see their posts when someone quotes them

I've never justified what Hamas has done. Since day 1. The Israeli Govt. has acted exactly the same as them. So, we're on the same page there.

I can't speak for the poster you are arguing with, but one can understand why Hamas said they would refuse to release the hostages, whilst being completely against them taking and keeping hostages in the first place.

I don't understand why Hamas broke into Israel and killed innocent people on Oct 7th, or what their goal was in taking hostages. I'm not well read on it, and tbh it's so evil that I don't care to find out why.

But now that they have the hostages in their possession, I understand why they'd keep them if their release was dependant on Israel holding up their side of the ceasefire agreement, which Hamas said they didn't. That doesn't mean support of Hamas holding hostages.

Most "anti Israel" posters on this thread, that I can see, are arguing out of defence of all innocent civilians, Palestinian + Israeli. But when the Israeli military and gov has inflicted 95% of the civilian casualties in this conflict, and are using a fully fledged military might on civilians (whose only 'defenders' are a terrorist militia who don't seem to care about them either) they are going to get most of the criticism and it is, imo, completely justified.

I don't understand the other posters here who parrot October 7th as justification for all this mass civilian bloodshed, as though the people killed that day outweigh all that have been killed since, and going about an agenda of dehumanising Palestinians, using whataboutery, or portraying people who defend civilians as anti semetic or supporters of terrorism.

Many are at it, and rightly or wrongly I suspect some of them don't care too much about Israeli civilians either, and are just happy to see a narrative where westerners are blowing up and dominating Muslims.

Not nearly as many as the Israelis -

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2024/0319/1438840-gaza-doctors-un/

A simple case of a preacher trying to preach to the converted. My posts were misinterpreted quite willingly and used as just another chance to vent anger at everything that was wrong with the world it seems. My stance nor my posts have never been in support of israels actions.

Exactly.

It's a bit rich to be talking about war crimes when Israel are topping the league in that respect.

Talk about wilful ignorance.

I’ll save @markodaly some time, if he (I’m guessing) doesn’t mind. I dealt with this a few days ago. Israel has successfully facilitated the entry of over 1.3 million tons of aid to Gaza within the last 15 months. The number of calories delivered between January and April 2024, for example, constituted a mean of 3,268 calories per person per day. This is over 50% more than the 2,100 calories per person per day required by the Sphere guidelines for humanitarian food to conflict-affected populations.