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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Looks like the Ruble is the strongest currency in the world against the USD this year to date currently up 25%. An amazing recovery given the hysterical end of the world predictions by some just a couple of months after sanctions were put on some banks. All of that is sorted now and it has been gradually strengthening since.

    ruble.jpg

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭Field east


    The Ukr begging for arms bit. Do I read into that that RU ‘ buys ‘ its Al. ?

    arms from NK, Iran, etal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭Field east


    That Ukr begging for arms bit. Those this mean that Ru ‘buys’ it’s Arms from NK, Iran, etc, etc, etc?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    Putin did get some of what he wanted. Not all of this is due to the war but it has helped with most of it. If you look at the the last 11 years it's a long list of wins for Putin.

    NATO is dead.

    Europe is fractured - Brexit, Hungary, Slovakia, the rise of the far right, Reform likely to be the next government in the UK, Le Pen in France. Russia has had a hand in all of that.

    The European economy is in the toilet and will never recover. If it doesn't recover it will open the gate for pro Putin governments across eastern Europe.

    He has proven yet again that all you need to do is out wait the west. We are weak. Not as weak as he thought but weak none the less.

    Trump is back in the white house and US democracy could well be dead. It's possible that this will spread across Europe as well - it's already here with Orban and Poland was close to going the same way.

    He controls much of the resource rich parts of Ukraine. Let's see what deal Putin talks clown Trump into. He could end up with even more than he currently has.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,413 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes, this is the real risk. Putin must be thrilled to see Trump take a wrecking ball to NATO and to the US - Europe alliance.

    I wouldn't be as pessimistic about the rise of the far right in Europe though. Those clowns have shown time and time again that they are useless at running a country or managing an economy. Trump has a head start in that he is in charge of the richest country in the world, but the European versions of him have no such advantage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,405 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    What ultimately matters with Trump is if he keeps supplying Ukraine with aid and what he deems a fair deal for Ukraine. Does he insist Russia return to the 1991 border minus Crimea or does he insist the current line is where it's at?

    Also regarding Europe squirming. They've had 3 **** year's to up their military development to support Ukraine by themselves. 3 years to massively increase artillery production etc.

    If Trump goes AWOL the ball is still in our court to keep Ukraine going.

    "Trump says U.S. aid to Ukraine will continue to prevent "Putin from thinking he won." He confirmed talks with Putin to end the war, with a possible first meeting in Saudi Arabia. Trump believes a ceasefire could happen "in the not-too-distant future."

    You just gotta hope Trump doesn't propose a deal that Putin agrees to, Zelenski refuses and then trump turns on Zelenski and holds back aid until he does.

    And trump saying Ukraine needs elections what about Russia the clown. Putin completely illegitimate.

    https://www.holosameryky.com/a/trump-pro-perehovory-z-putinym/7973191.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,085 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Assuming there's some sort of peace deal, people are suggesting that Ukraine will be forced to cede territory. I don't think this is going to be the case at all.

    I don't think Ukraine will sign up to such a deal. I do think they would consider some sort of ceasefire agreement though. Both sides stop fighting, Russia occupies the territory it currently holds, but Ukraine doesn't formally recognise the Russian claim. It's essentially a frozen conflict, same as in Moldova and Georgia.

    I think it probably suits all sides. Any sort of agreement that stops the war will be a big boost to Trump, Europe can go back to pretending that they care about its security, Zelensky can say Ukraine lives to fight another day, and Putin of course gets breathing space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭Field east


    (1) The US was never ‘forced’ in any way by its’ allies to have arms - eg submarines , military bases, etc. - based all over the world

    (2) is it not the case that the US wanted to be seen as the most powerful country in the world/ a world leader- especially military powerless- and (1) above was a clear way of showing it

    (3). Because of the scale of economies, ,the economic size of the US economy , its advances in research - especially military research , it should not be surprising to anyone that it would take the lead in this whole area of ‘international protection in association with its allies. By way of an extreme example Ireland -for obvious reasons even if it was a member of NATO could not play that roll

    (4) The threat , FOR YEARS, was the threat from Russia re expansion /becoming the most powerful nation, etc and especially from its nuclear capabilities and the US was in by far the best position to counteract that along with it’s allies supporting it.

    (5) The American attitude to life, to be the best, to monetary issues, etc, etc, was a big part of the attitude that lead to ALL OFTHE ABOVE.


    IN Summary, IMO, it is a bit unfair to blame the Europeans and others for ‘not pulling their weight’. That could have been worked on and resolved and especially now the EU has been presented with a clear reason to up It’s ante

    BUT TRUMP HAS THROWN OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATHWATER saying goodby to EU and PIVOTING towards Russia/ the far east . He is gone TOTALLY TRANSACTIONAL - I wonder for who’s benefit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    Hysterical pessimism. Things are bad in the West but not that bad. Ask yourself a simple question: if the West and Russia opened all borders tomorrow which way do you think migration would go, West to East or East to West? We know the answer and that says everything about where, by far, the more desirable place to live is, both politically and economically



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭Field east


    all agreed between Trump and Putin on the condition that the US can develop some military bases on RU soil and that the US can extract the equivalent value of the arms supplied to UKr in the form of rear minerals.

    OH , I nearly forgot - all the sanctions will be lifted within , let’s say, 33 days. And that any aspect of the overall agreement can be renaged on without any notice once a ‘ reason ‘ is poffered.

    And if you want the money that we have frozen back , I will return it but I will need a few months notice and the address you want tome to send it to or would you prefer that I give it to you personally in a suitcase/s?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Hardly a coincidence who was in the Whitehouse the day before the "phonecall".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭Field east


    just listened to Bertie being interviewed by Pat Kenny,. Bertie thought that the utterance of the US secretary for Defence at the security meet in Europe yesterday was beyond ‘ madness’ in his opinion. Bertie summed it up by saying that there is nothing left to talk about between Trump and Putin re sorting out the war. Bertie being veryincisive and at his best. As C. Haughty said ‘—- the most cunning of them all’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,555 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    It would appear that Musk's unprounouncably named child is the one who finally told Emperor Don he's not wearing any clothes while his Daddy interupted the president and took over his press conference.

    Americans need to start worrying about this foreign invasion of their own country. Kids don't come out with stuff like "I want you to shut your mouth up" or "You're not the president, you need to go away." by themselves. He's clearly heard that somewhere else.

    Maybe that's part of the reason Elon bought X? To get access to Donald's DMs? Trump has history of being wildly careless with classified material and it was 2022/2023 before DMs were encrypted on the platform.

    Musk has a lot of ties to Putin and X was largely purchased with Russian money.

    Maybe the best way to end Putin's influence over Trump is to take Elon out of the equation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Will be interesting to see what the German politicians thoughts are, the right side have has been consistent on Ukraine and returning to Russian gas. Probably given the decimation of it's energy intensive industry going on a large ammount of voters think the same. Will the crazy greens keep up the warmongering tone along with the CDU ?

    Romania is certain to go to the common sense side, Czechs also, Austrians have already. No doubt quite a few have kept quiet in order to rock the boat, now it has been shaken maybe more open up in public. After all you would expect the majority of people in Europe would prefer their politicians to spend time on more pressing issues than Ukraine.

    Sadly some politicians have turned totally hysterical and avoided even picking up the phone for 3 years to try and open up talks. The appointment of some in Europe set the wrong tone for what is needed, take that piece of work from Estonia as a prime example.

    The Russian deputy rep of the UN gave her a mouthful this morning.

    Nothing will change for at least 6 months, weapons and money will still flow but at least the phone has been picked up by someone.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Lots of hyperbole, zero evidence presented. And we're meant to take your 'concerned' and 'neutral' posts seriously??

    Russia poisons people on foreign soil, disappears political opponents, and you're worked up about a US agency which makes no bones about the fact that it seeks to support pro-democracy organisations around the world?

    So easy for you to have that theoretical/ philosophical outlook on the world, tucked away safely as you are in a democratic first world country whose citizens enjoy the greatest amount of civil rights protection of anywhere on earth at any time in history. And you turn your eye blindly to the struggles of those who live on the border between democracy and autocracy. Congratulations to you and your cherry-picking of facts and news reports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭Field east




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,526 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    In a way, we should be thankful to the US for being the greatest benefactor to Ukraine for 3 years now - despite Russia being no threat to the US themselves. Practical next steps could be:

    • Give them a share of Ukraine's mineral wealth, see it as a repayment of sorts.
    • Come up with a concrete plan that Europe takes over the costs of this war, and increase NATO spending gradually (including purchase of US weapons)
    • Start by using the $200billion in seized Russian assets held mostly in Brussels

    Probably what Trump wants deep down is Ukraine to win, but the US not to have to pay for it. Like he's saying: "Hey, Europe. you better start paying for this and stop buying Russian energy to fund the war. Hey Ukraine, we'd like some of those minerals after all the help we gave you. Otherwise I'll screw you, I have Putin on speed dial here….don't think I won't do it".

    Trump is Putin's last chance of victory, if we can mitigate this. Make Trump an attractive offer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    The Russians psychologically need to spin what has been a complete clusterfuck as some sort of victory

    They are quite good at spinning that up is down and wrong is right, you can see it in posts higher up that are so detached from reality it’s funny

    Notice how their puppets higher up refused to answer a simple question of what constitutes as “victory” when asked this simple question, squealing “it’s not about land” (if it’s not then why have half a million men die for mud) or saying it’s about NATO (which lol has grown and rearming) or hoping for resumption of sales of gas (over what pipelines?) which directly impacts Trumps interests

    TBH let em spin, as long as the orcs go home and terrorise their own



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,413 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's interesting to see Putin supporters like yourself becoming emboldened by what Trump is up to and posting pro-Russian propaganda on the forum. You are quite correct though to interpret everything he is doing as not being about peace but instead about his hero worship of the dictator. He clearly is in awe of the guy and has no time whatsoever for EU / NATO / western leaders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Another random brain fart from you with no context. And again harping back to the 1960s as if the state of politics at the height of the Cold War has any relevance to the world order today.

    Taking your logic then… if it's ok for Russia to invade a neighbouring territory because they decide they sense a provocation and there are a few people who identify as Russian living there… I presume it's ok for any country? And as long as you're big enough and your neighbouring country is small enough, you can use "we must stop the killing" to justify holding onto whatever territory you like?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    They hilariously enough are both pro and anti trump depending on the spin they need to put out that day

    Often in same thread page 😂

    BlyatGPT sure has bugs around consistency



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭Field east


    considering what US Secretary of Defence said at the Security meeting in Europe yesterday and Bertie’s comments , the ONLY WAY that a trump can walk back from them is to IMMEDIATELY acSACK the guy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,685 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Even before Donnie came back into the White House to play-act as a "President", I had been considering the one positive thing that had come out of his first 4 years of staining the Resolut Desk with rings of Diet Coke. He had created the impression for possibly the first time since end of the Cold War, that the US could no longer be counted upon as a NATO partner.

    This made Europe start to at least look at the nessesity to rearm itself properly, and by the time we get to the Ukraine War it became clear that Europe needed to be armed and prepared for war with Russia. The progress on that front is not great, but it is happening. Futhermore, the strategic pinch-points for NATO in the Baltics are now shored up by the inclusion of Sweden and Finland in the alliance. With Norway they have been developing intergrated Scandinavian battle groups and compatibily programs where they use similar or even identical weaponry.

    For the first time since possibly WW2, Russia now borders a European alliance that has the means, organisation and preparation to actually wage war agains them.

    But unlike previous examples of this, today's Europe is not interested in military conquest of the Eurasian Steppe or even of Russia. European expansion is now political and economic. But the means of military defense of the block does need to be part of that, espeically now. Even in the best case scenario of a Russian defeat or withdrawal from Ukraine, the future Russian Federation is going to be a dangerious and unstable neighbor who will needed to be guarded against. Likely alas, for the rest of our lifetimes.

    Despite Donnie thinking he can cart out his "Art of the Deal" shadow-written fiction to a negotition table, keep in mind that he has been and will continue to be worse than useless when it comes to discussing anything of substance. He's all about throwing sound-bytes at anything he encounters. Remember how he met Kim Jong Un and ended the Korean conflict? Yea…not much really happened there except a photoshoot and "talks" that went nowhere….twice…. I don't expect much useful this time either.

    Because of all of the above, it is now critical for Europe to assume the mantle of peace keepers in the Western World. Pax Americana is being eroded by the Americans themselves to their own disadvantage. It is now time for Europe as a whole, with about 1/2 Billion people, the most powerful trading block in the world, and as a leader in progressive democratic values to establish a new Pax Europaea. It does mean taking defense far more seriously and to reformat all planning with the assumption that the Americans will not be of help. Until the US get's it's head screwed by on properly, we cannot count on them again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    Putin will freeze along current lines and push everybody up to Kursk to meat grind it back into Russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    More fantasy stuff

    How will Russia sell gas to Europe?

    • nordstream - gone
    • south pipes - full of Azeri gas, going via Turkey, soon also Syrian gas
    • further south pipelines being built from Israel, Egypt and Cyprus all of whom are sitting on massive reserves and want to sell to Europe
    • pipeline through Ukraine, LOL 😂
    • Pipeline thru Belarus and Poland, why would poles like Ukrainians permit transit knowing it helps their biggest enemy
    • LNG - would require massive investments as russian European and arctic lng facilities fallen apart and more importantly direct threat to US gas interests, who the hell would invest? Chinese didn’t even bother with Siberian pipelines in three years choosing Central Asia, western companies all been burned by Russia repeatedly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,413 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Apparently, Russian TV and radio hosts are beyond ecstatic today. They (quite accurately) see Trump as being one of their own and someone who doesn't give a flying F about Europe, NATO or Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭Field east


    this word ‘if’. Did you hear something on the grape vine to make that suggestion. a? While you were at it why not include Quatr,, Saudi A , Oman, UAE, Baherin et. Al.?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Get Ukraine into EU asap, that right there adds a million men who know how to fight successfully



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Glenomra




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭tarvis


    The latest President of the US thinks it is ok to meet with Russia, the invaders of Ukraine - without Ukraine being present , in Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of most of the 9/11 terrorists.
    Is this amnesia, stupidity or thoughtlessness ?



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