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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,507 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    You just have to laugh at the thickness of these goons. What a stupid thing to implement. They really dont like motorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭NetworkOrange


    I wish they would just focus on the two ring roads and build a second exit off the M4 to the college, it would calm traffic through the town



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,161 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Is there any plan to stop through traffic in the town after the ring road is finished (whenever that happens) ? If no through traffic is stopped, why do you think traffic will lessen in the town?

    If a certain amount of traffic moves to the ring road, then it will be quicker for others to drive through the town. So the ring road traffic will be replaced by other local traffic. People who used to walk to school will realise it's quicker to drive now. So traffic won't be calmed through the town unless restrictions are put in place.

    In the meantime, if you make it more attractive to use active travel for local trips - e.g. safe for children to cycle on the school run - that's a number of car trips that don't have to be made any more, lessening traffic through the town.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭FledNanders


    The updates being done on Mill Street are definitely necessary. It's chaos there midweek with people walking all over the road as the paths are too narrow, so bikes are then pushed out into the traffic to avoid running into pedestrians.

    Loads of young kids cycling to the schools around there in the mornings also, it's really dangerous.

    Yes the ring road is needed obviously, but this work is also definitely needed, despite the temporary disruption it will cause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭NetworkOrange


    I think there was a plan to stop letting traffic go through the town, but I'm not certain if that's definite. Yeah, you could argue people will drive more, since traffic through the town is reduced and the assumption it will be quicker. But I don't think that's a reason not to proceed and prioritize the ring roads around Moyglare and the one from Tesco towards M4, as well as the second M4 exit.

    I do agree that the path, road and cycle lane outside Manor Mills is in dire need of some updates and reconfiguration. Its in a shocking state.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,737 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    There's a very long term plan to make some of the town centre one way and restricted access except for buses.

    It is extremely unlikely that TII will ever allow a second M4 interchange - a new one serving the Eastern Ring / college will require removing the existing one or maybe just retaining it as off-ramps, or a single-sided setup. Traffic from the North of the town would be better served then by heading to the Leixlip West interchange; indeed they often already are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Staplor


    Go down to Athy, the ring road is transformational to the town.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,509 ✭✭✭Patser


    I've seen a few of those plans, that when ring road (even just Eastern side) is done, town centre will be bus only from Church, to Ely/Girls school to Glenroyal to Old College/Castle entrance - with also proposals to make the Square in centre a large bus interchange stop.

    All this other traffic managing stuff coming in now, is just rearranging deckchairs on Titanic stuff, especially since largest schools are on one side of town, and older population centre and motorway on other.

    Just build the ring road, provide an alternative, people will use it. Hopefully now that Meath CoCo have some skin in the game (Moygaddy Develepment) last, the North Eastern part of the ring road might actually happen, after being part of the Moyglare Hall planning from 2006



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭FrankN1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,518 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Did the original plans for Mill St not have a new footbridge between Coffee Mill and Zambrero? Did I didn't imagine that



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,161 ✭✭✭buffalo


    I hadn't heard of the long term plans, that's interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭donspeekinglesh


    It did. As a way of allowing more space for the cycle paths on the existing bridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,518 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Glad I wasn't imagining it. Doesn't seem to be on the list posted above, I wonder if it's changed. Would be a nice addition, the pavement on that side is very narrow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭FledNanders


    It's in the images I've seen about the works, so it' still there. But not mentioned in that text document above



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,518 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭FledNanders


    They are adding an additional footbridge beside the current bridge, at the Coffee Mill to Manor Mills.

    So yes they are effectively widening it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,507 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    At last. An evidence based answer to the need for a proper ring road. Too many posters on her with hypothetical BS answers. A ring road should be the priority. Not introducing more obstacles to slow down and increase traffic in the town. When this happens everyone suffers including pedestrians and cyclists. The aim should be to have a proper one way system and perhaps even pedestrianise certain parts of the town at certain times. But no. We have headbangers on who want to torture motorists. It's insane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,509 ✭✭✭Patser


    Deleted all that - thought Toucan meant Zebra type crossing, not just bikes and pedestrians on a light



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,509 ✭✭✭Patser


    Seeing posts online - but hard to get official details, Peter Melrose SD councillor has some on facebook;

    But these works start on Wednesday, and run til October I think!!! With a stop go system on Mill St, one lane closed at a time - and a suggestion to use Mariavilla as alternative as much as possible. I can see that being chaotic, and the bus routes through there (115, W6 and school services) all being messed up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,507 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    An utter disgrace that they are getting away with this. With no alternative supermarket on the straffan road it will be even more messy.

    Who stupid twat comes up with these hair brained ideas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,509 ✭✭✭Patser


    TBF it's a needed upgrade. That bridge is v narrow, especially pedestrian footpath and the bike lanes also narrow. So the extra bridge is a neat remedy to free up space.

    The issue, as always, comes back to the lack of alternatives. 20 odd years of planning and objections to the ring road, while happily building massive schools; and estates on opposite side of town that all are planned around said ring road has lead us to this.

    Even the current 'alternative' through Mariavilla, was a cheap option for Council as they made the developer Cairns do it as part of their planning permission. Don;t think the new residents of Mariavilla are too happy with being the recommended rat run around the town



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    Delighted with this. Place is a mess. Too many cars.

    whole town should have an enforced 30km zone. Most traffic I see in morning is kids not able to walk to school and needing to be dropped. Sure fully agree there are some that need this but moyglare is a mess with kids being dropped off.

    a ring road will bring more housing estates and more cars and more traffic. it's not a solution. LOL at comparing maynooth to Athy… why not compare it to Galway where a ring road did **** all…

    remove most of the parking spaces from main street would be an immediate improvement. Keep/ increase disabled ones.

    But overall enforce rules and punish shi-t drivers for bad parking, speeding and breaking lights.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    For those complaining about it, the plans were on public display for ages and none of this is a surprise. It's hilarious reading the complaints and wondering did you object to any of this? Did you bother your hole to know what's going on in the town you constantly whinge about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,509 ✭✭✭Patser


    Maynooth has been designated of a urban growth centre, with an expectation that ic can take an extra 10,000 odd residents over next 10 years - and is one of the reasons that railways etc are being upgraded out this way.

    And yes the ring road is there precisely to allow for more housing estates and cars, that's exactly what's planned - although hopefully with improved public transport this will be less proportionate. The issue facing Maynooth now, is that all the housing and developement has started without any of the road or rail upgrades. And since this Growth Centre is based on its proximityand access to Dublin, and is seen as a commuter town; cycling is not really an option. Cyclist can't use a motorway, greenway is not complete and even when is not direct, most direct cycle route goes by Intel (currently with massive roadworks), Leixlip with steep hills and minimal cycle paths and almost to Lucan before rejoining N4.

    Traffic issues in Maynooth are rarely caused by speeding, bad parking is also not that big an issue IMO at peak times; and in fact all your points about drivers and roads point more to you having a specific agenda than really looking at reality and alternatives.

    If planners want/expect Maynooth to expand then infrastructure upgrades have to keep pace. Housing is being rapidly built while rail upgrade and ring road are still in planning limbo and facing more and more delays. The large schools built away from main transport hubs, schools that serve students from Kilcock, Clane and Dunboyne regions as well as the University expanding to bring in more and more students from across a wide area is main cause of the congestion. No expansion or provision of alternatives, while more residents and students are brought in immediately = congestion, not someone speeding.

    But on paper the plans look nice, everything to planners looks lovely - reality is grim

    https://consult.maynooth.ie/en/system/files/materials/6/Maynooth%20JLAP%20Predraft%20Issues%20Paper.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭NetworkOrange


    I never even thought of the Lidl being closed, SuperValu isn't exactly a great alternative (its too small stock/parking wise).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,518 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    The roadside signs say the Mill St works will be until December, already overrunning 🤣

    In shop news, Navan Carpets are setting up in one of the kiosks below Tesco



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,507 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    I absolutely agree that the Mill St works are needed. I don't think it will reduce the amount of motorists using the town though. I think it will make it worse actually.

    For those talking about safety how many accidents have there been on Mill Street over the last 5 years for example?

    Regarding Ring Roads I actually think North Kildare ,Enfield and parts of Dublin( Kilcock, Clane, Celbridge, Maynooth, Leixlip, Lucan area) need a ring road. A proper project. Rather than multiple smaller projects not really solving anything.

    Mill Street will resemble Intel for the next while. A **** mess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭FledNanders


    The Mill Street works aren't taking place to reduce the amount of motorists using the town though?

    They're being done to improve the experience and safety for pedestrians and cyclists in the area. Once the works are done, nothing will have changed for motorists. But all the people who use the street (mostly pedestrians) will be able to walk and cycle around the place with a bit more ease and peace of mind.

    I cycle/walk/drive through that street regularly and if I'm down there on a busy afternoon it's chaos at the moment the way it is for pedestrians in particular.

    Groups of people waiting on the narrow side of the pedestrian lights which blocks up the path and means people can't walk past, never mind getting a buggy or kids bike past.

    I really don't understand the whataboutery here in terms of the ring road. Multiple things need to be done all over the town, why not start with this?



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    If you think that drivers in maynooth are not to blame for traffic in maynooth… it's an odd position. Driver behaviour is a main part of the problem. Watch how many cars break red lights at any junction in maynooth. A ring road won't solve people being aresholes.

    Again if you think speeding isn't an issue you're delusional. Straffan road, rathcoffey road, etc are really poor at times.

    The reality is if you like to complain about driving in maynooth and traffic you're in luck because it is only getting worse. There's no measures planned for the immediate that will fix it. Get out of your car if you can. For those that do, they should not have to put up with inconsiderate drivers and should be able to use the roads safely.

    There has been plenty of chances to comment on all the plans that you talk about (not saying they will be taken on board) but I guess you just like to whinge.

    A ring road was and is needed, it'll come on line when developers get paid for their houses.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,518 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Fusion says it's closed for refurbishment and will reopen under new management

    Hope the menu doesn't change too much, really like it in there. It was always dead in there though, maybe they'll make it more appealing to eat in



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