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Mechanic charged me for a simple check and not a service

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,674 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Just wondering if you are expecting a qualified man to give 30 minutes of his time for free?
    How do you expect him to put food on the table?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,587 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    but a new vehicle doing 3/4k a year? I would be more worried out the mechanical components than I would be about the oil.

    But that is the exact case for a yearly oil change. Low total mileage probably means mostly or al least mainly short trips. The engine rarely runs for long enough at a time to burn the accumulated moisture from the oil.

    Oil is cheap, relatively appealing.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭corks finest


    I hear ya

    I changed the wet belt in my sons fiesta eco boost simply because I couldn’t risk the belts degradation and him left with a negative bill to sort it

    Using proper designated oil is paramount as is changing oil regularly

    Our local Cirk Ford centre wanted an arm and a leg for the work

    I think the bones of e1400

    I saved several hundred by going through a Ford mechanic doing private work


    nevertheless though costly it saved me a lot of worry and stress



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭corks finest


    have to be changed annually ( I change mine every 7 months regardless of mileage done)

    Looking for bother down the road. ( pardon the pun)

    Otherwise



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thanks for all the comments. Maybe some of you are right about the 60 quid but I asked for a service: an oil change. I've had mechanics in the past more tuned in to sending me away or asking if I'd like them to do a quick run over. I asked for a service that involved changing the oil. I only found out at closing time that much was done with regards to the service. I think it's time I look into doing some basics myself so I only need to go to a mechanic for more serious things. Maybe it's a life lesson and a way for me to better understand my car.

    Also, for good business. Would I be motivated to go back that often. Not really. I'd be more considerate next time and leave things closer to the edge.

    What's a good brand for a vacuum pump and car jack?



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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I agree with 100% here.

    If a car was sitting unused for 18 months, would an oil change be needed? The oil should be fine with no particle issues…very much like being stored in an airtight bottle?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,787 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    What's a good brand for a vacuum pump and car jack?

    The very fact that you asked about the jack and not axle stands would make me think you should continue using your mechanic!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭Banjo Carney


    If a car was sitting for 18 months first thing I'd do is oil and filter. I'm not a big fan of suction pups either. Can't beat a good drain out the sump plug after the engines being warmed. Get on with the air and cabin filter and plugs if it's petrol while it's draining.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    People use the pumps so that they don't have to replace the sump plug washer. But just buy a few to have on hand and the warm and drain method is still the best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭Banjo Carney


    That or they can't or don't want to get underneath the car. Oil is the lifeblood of the engine so skimping on oil and filter changes is very much false economy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Oil deteriorates with age. That's why oil changes are specified at either a set mileage or time, whichever comes first.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well I did specify I would like to learn so mistakes are part of the learning process. Knowing what's essential versus nice-to-have is just good for minimalism. Always a level of bashing in these threads versus some level of encouragement. Thanks to those for the help!



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I do not mind getting under a car. I just don't want someone robbing my shoes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,647 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    what car is it? Some engines you won’t get a lot out with a vacuum pump as it won’t get to the bottom.

    I vacuum my oil out , I do a lot of mileage so change the oil every 4 months, 320k/kms up on it now and no issues. Any time it goes to the garage for work I get them to drain it out the sump plug.

    As for changing the oil, once a year or distance whichever comes first.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,787 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I genuinely wasn't trying to be smart. Relying on the jack whilst under the car is probably not a mistake you get to make a second time!

    If you wish to learn about car maintenance and how to work on your car yourself then fine - ask for advice here, do an evening class in your local school on basic car maintenance, whatever. But the number one rule is not to put youself in any kind of danger be it from a jack collapsing or opening a hot coolant cap or an electric shock or whatever.

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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thank you! Excellent advice. I now understand the importance of such equipment and how having more support structures is essential. I've read a few stories about when a jack fails.

    I did not mean to offend any mechanics. It's hard and complex work. I just felt the transaction this time around was not very helpful. My lesson in life is to be more clued in - possibly to the extent of changing the oil and other basics tasks myself.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I drive a Kia Rio.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    The guy charged you the minimum for doing checks on your car that you clearly can't do yourself at this point in time - not having the correct equipment. I have no idea why you think this was money badly spent. You think the mechanic's expertise is worthless?

    €60 is nothing. Go to a main dealer and see if you can get out for less than €300.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,160 ✭✭✭✭GBX


    €60 will not get you a service. Servicing is such a broad term used and quite often assumed more being done than asked to do or agreed to be done. Even if you did ask for certain jobs to be done, if it was a service, you would be expected to be paying more.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah, this is a good way of looking at my situation. I guess my expectation versus reality debacle had me feeling anxious. Perhaps I need to structure better questions next time around.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭Banjo Carney




  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Curious to know why people use the suction method to for an oil change. Is it so they don't have to get under the car or that the oil sump is fiddly and something risky to mess with if one gets a leak because of a washer, but, and so on? Any pitfalls of using the suction method? Like the oil filter check or change is bypassed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Sometimes it's awkward and slow where sump guards have to be removed or the car raised to access the drain plug (although there's often an opening there), having to replace the washer and not having one to hand.

    The suction method is not foolproof, getting the hose down to the sump can be awkward or even impossible as some cars have electronic 'dipsticks; and therefore there's no direct access via a normal dipstick hole.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thanks!

    I'm a bit concerned now to have oil going through another few 1000 of kms based on their recommendation. It's being a year of many weather changes so I would assume the oil at least could do with a change. Now I've lost confidence that a full service request will turn into smaller bits that lead to many back and forth occasions with this mechanic. I'll need to find someone else as I've lost trust. A whole day of leaving a car there and organizing lifts…all for nothing, IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Loosing trust in your mechanic because they were honest and didn’t take advantage of you is absolutely bonkers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Going back to your OP, you say the mechanic did an oil check and "other things" (unspecified). You also say that it was 7k km short of its next scheduled service. I'm assuming a 15k service interval from that. If it's more, please correct as you don't say what mileage it's done since the last service. What were the "other things"?

    You also don't say if this mechanic did the previous service or not. If they did, then they'd be in the best position to evaluate the car and decide what needs to be done.

    The price charged of €60 is very reasonable. From your op, it seems you don't think so. Maybe explain why you think their time would be worth less in your opinion?

    By the sound of it, you wanted him to do more than he did. That's fair enough, but clearly you didn't insist on an oil change or an oil and filter change. You just assumed it would be done. The mechanic thought otherwise having checked it. But you're blaming him for what appears to be a failure in communication by you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭Archduke Franz Ferdinand


    mechanic was correct, his time is worth something and he’s running a business



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Ok, that last paragraph is a HUGE assumption. 🤣

    I'm not a mechanic and if you looked through my posts, you'd see I've bashed main dealer service departments for their shoddy workmanship and service. Whether you think (assume?) this mechanic earned their piddling €60 or not, the OP says that they did an oil check and "other things". We're taking that at face value.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭W123-80's


    I think the mechanic was entitled to charge for his time, his training, his expertise, his tools, his staff and his workshop. Having said that if you build a relationship with a decent indy chances are small checks like that won't be charged overtime as the business will be coming their way anyway. Thats my experience anyway.

    I have a passing knowledge of motor mechanics but zero practical skills or tools.

    From a maintenance perspective I have used the same format for over 20 years now. I keep it very simple.

    1. Find a decent and reliable indy mechanic. I am going to my current guy over 12 years. Great service, happy to talk through potential solutions etc.
    2. I take a note of the mileage on the car the day I buy it.
    3. As a rule of thumb I have my car serviced every 10k kms from there on. Full service.
    4. I document all work done in the service booklet to include the mileage and date the work was carried out, any parts replaced, dates tyres were replaced etc
    5. This allows me monitor how long tyres last and how long other wear and tear parts last.
    6. Other maintenance is monitored and carried out as required.

    Some people will say servicing that frequently is overkill. For me I think its money well spent. In the overall scheme of motoring costs I think a full service is relatively good value and money well spent. It's peace of mind and improves the longevity of the engine for a small preventative outlay of cash.

    If you are only doing 3,000km per annum I would still have the car serviced annually. Again, maybe overkill but for the relatively small cost of a service I think its money well spent once a year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    It's miles off. It's not hard to tell that most people here are car owners primarily and some have varying degrees of experience working on their own cars. But that doesn't make them professional mechanics. But if you want to maintain that position, list the users here who you think are professional mechanics and I'm sure they'll be along to confirm it for you.

    Yes, what "other things"? The op hasn't specified, so we're left to guess some of the items that would be checked. Like fluid checks - coolant, brakes, oils. Brake pads and tyres. Air filter condition. Light bulbs, indicators etc.

    If you own a car, €60 isn't even a fuel fill these days let alone a mechanical check over. My last ICE car would routinely cost ~€500 for a service. Never seemed to get out of there for less. Yet the same jokers never replaced the glow plugs and I ended up with a blocked DPF and EGR valves that I had to pay (someone else) to clean for me.

    So yeah, for a car owner, €60 is peanuts.



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