General Premier League Thread 2024-25

Havertz is gone for the season. If Liverpool don’t win the title it will take one of the greatest chokes in the history of the Premier league.

No nothing to do with approaching any specific game differently, moreso I meant a mentality thing with noises from outside the camp

Liverpool have lost 1 of 23 PL games this season. They are unbeaten in 12 away PL games, an outstanding away record that will be the basis of them winning the title this season.

While Everton away will be a very tough game and could result in a defeat (not that I expect it to), where are these 2 games they could easily lose out of their next 5 PL fixtures.

Wolves at home could be an absolute massacre. City are completely and utterly broken, if Liverpool don't go there and get at least a draw they've no right to be winning the title. Liverpool at home to Newcastle while tricky would be an expected win. Villa away is a tough fixture but Liverpool's away from is superb.

The only way Liverpool lose 2 of their next 5,or have a big fall off in form in the PL is a major injury crisis happening at the same time to numerous senior players, or some sort of massive falling out in the dressing room that breaks morale.

There has been a pretence that their has been a title race for a couple of months now (Man City even risibly being mentioned in said title race), when in effect it was more or less done at the half way stage of the PL season. I often wonder do people get tired of all this pretending stuff at some stage.

That is the most average looking run of fixtures you'll see in the PL. There's nothing outstanding there at all.

Everton - 3 wins from last 5
Villa - 2 wins from last 5
City - 3 wins from last 5
Newcastle - 3 wins from last 5
Wolves - 2 wins from last 5

Liverpool are on a run of 3 wins in the last 5 but we are told the losses were their "C" teams so the "A" team should be OK right?

Arsenal just lost another attacker and we are here talking about Liverpool's "tough" run of fixtures…
Arsenal have to play their fixtures with an attacking pool of Sterling, Trossard and Nwaneri. They are dropping points.

Liverpool will be too far ahead by the end of the month to be caught

Yep so we agree - Havertz being out (if true) doesn't change much - still 15 games to go (5 in next 14 days) and Liverpool in the driving seat

Liverpool were going to win the league regardless of who's playing for other clubs, they have improved while the other "top 6" have declined.

Have Liverpool really improved? I don't see massive improvements. I think they have maintained their levels from the first 2/3rds of last season and plowed on. They have have made small tweaks alright but I think the key things are player availability this season and younger players like Gravenberch now being acclimatized to the league. The other teams have dropped off alright, namely Man City but Arsenal have fallen away while trying to maintain that level for a 3rd successive season. It rarely happens unless.

Liverpool won the league a few years ago because they maintained their form from the previous season and Man City lost their heads at key points before eventually just blowing up. Arsenal maintained their form last year from the previous year after being so close to a title but didn't get over the line again and after not winning anything from all the efforts, and a lot of over-working players, they have broken down this year.

Chelsea have fallen away after early season promise but top 4 is still the goal and Newcastle are doing a reverse of that while also wanting top 4. They'll be battling Man City for positions 3 & 4 in the league IMO.

Havertz has his faults but this is just BS about it not changing much and if you cant see that then I dont know what to say.

My guess is VVD & Salah will sign and on terms not massively increased from what they are on whilst Trent will leave.

This should not be an issue given we freed up Thiago & Matip from the wages and have not bought anyone else since at that level of wage.

Collectively our wage bill should be lower with VVD & Salah extending whilst Trent, Matip and Thiago are removed from it.

Arsenal – 1997-98 12-Point Deficit  February 1998

Manchester United – 1992-93 12-Point Deficit 5 December 1992

Manchester United – 1995-96 12-Point Deficit 21 January 1996

Manchester United – 1996-97 10-Point Deficit  17 December 1996*  2 games in hand

Manchester United – 2002-03 10-Point Deficit 25 December 2002

Manchester United – 2008-09 10-Point Deficit 18 December 2008*  3 games in hand

Manchester City – 2018-19  10-Point Deficit 29 December 2018

Its been done before, and that's why people aren't jumping the gun. Even looking at the top one alone. Arsenal themselves chased down an "up to then" bang in form and flying Manchester United, who were going for 3-in-a-row. It ain't over 'til its over, and no amount of s**te being spun by people who very interested in it being turned around will change the fact that you keep going until its mathematically impossible.

Also, whose to say the Gunners don't fire Arteta and hire Fergie, because he's been behind most of them "upsets"!

Arsenal are only 2 points worse off than what they were after 24 games last season,so they haven't exactly fallen away

I actually think it's the club who won't meet his demands even for a year that will decide it. I think they'll coldly stick to their valuation and then let him take it or leave it. He'll then be off to PSG who might even be European champions by then, they look like the best team in Europe right now - unbeaten in the league and flying in the CL after last night.

I don't see him going to a Saudi league or MLS yet, but PSG must have a massive wage saving since Messi, Neymar and Mbappé. And although they've bought well, including Kvaratskhelia, they're missing that level of superstar at the club.

It just makes too much sense to me. And I don't see how it would hurt his ballon d'Or chances. All 3 of the above players have finished top 3 in Ballon d'Or voting while at PSG - something Salah hasn't yet done at Liverpool

There isn't a team like Fergie's Utd, 98 Arsenal or Prime City chasing down Liverpool though.That's what most people are saying.

Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Forrest whoever you want to name will all drop loads of points between here and the end of the season.

Out of the 15 games I'd say Liverpool could afford to lose 5 and still win it in the end. We aren't looking at a 90+ point season needed here.
And I don't see Liverpool losing anything like 5 games in the run in baring an injury crisis

It's not officially over but it's very very unlikely there is any other winner now. Has been for a while.
Sometimes the writing is just on the wall.

And again my point is not caring about who else is in the race or what results other teams get or what injuries other teams have.

It doesn't matter

5 games in 14 days, one a derby, one away to City, one away to Villa, one against our next cup final opponents.

That's all that matters right now because guess what, get through those 5 and there's still 10 games left to play.

45pts to play for and a gap of 6pts

No prizes given for that, let's just take it game by game and ignore this outside noise. I honestly couldn't tell you who Arsenal or Forest play next and I really don't care.

odd the odds haven’t changed lol