Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

For a lad who has been on the losing end of all arguments on this thread, you seem desperate to score some points.

I'll answer your question. Without question, Hamas should release the hostages as planned on Saturday and I believe they will. Hamas are a disgusting terrorist organisation and should never have taken hostages in the first place.

I would also add that international observers should be brought into Gaza to ensure the ceasefire agreement is actually being kept by Israeli troops. Including the aid deliveries. The international press should also have access to Gaza. I am sure you agree...

Would you be critical of the Israel govt if it was still shooting innocent civilians during the ceasefire? Or not allowing the promised aid in? Do you think it's possible or are the blinkers too tight? I read that tents and construction materials are still being blocked. There's a shock. They don't want a livable Gaza.

And my answer is quite simple.

I condemn any kidnapping and hostage taking, either by terrorists or elected governments, including those Hamas kidnapped on October 7th and still hold in captivity. I wish for the all hostages / and Palestinians interned without trial in Israel, to be treated humanely and released asap and proper peace talks to commence, and the terms of the ceasefire to be upheld on both sides. When this is all over, those that partook in this, in both sides, should feel the full brunt of international law. I condemn any taking of civilians life, and any moves to forcibly remove people from their homes and communities, either in Israel or in Palestine. Could this be any more unequivocal where my position lies?

But that isn't the question I was asked. I was asked if I condemn Hamas for "breaking the ceasefire".

That is a loaded question as it implies all fault on Hamas side, and none on Israel's. That could be true - I don't know. I read an article on the journal saying the ceasefire was in jeaprody as Hamas felt aggrieved, which later said that Trump and Netenyahu promised the removal of Palestinians from their land. I'm not sure if this is the reason or not - promising ethnic cleansing is surely not sticking to a ceasefire

But again I ask, if I am to condemn something, I need to know what the facts are - and your buddy told me the facts don't matter.

"formulating a plan to remove a people from a land - whose lineage goes back thousands of years - in order to ethnically cleanse them from the region?"

That statement of yours which I have quoted is not a verified fact.

It is a verified fact that Hamas have refused to release the hostages, yet you dress your reaction to that up in a statement that criticises Israel. The methodology is clear.

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**** me, does anyone actually read what they write….

Lets deal with a hypothetical Marko…

1. A deal is brokered between two parties.
2. Party A violates the deal.
3. Party B points out that Party A has violated the deal.
4. Party B is not to blame for the breakdown of the deal.

Neither side has to be good/bad nor a death cult. This is pretty **** basic and pretty much holds true for everything; bank loans, land ownership, minding someone's cat….

Can you provide me with any links sources to disprove what I've said (anything by Douglas Murray, Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, Bill Maher etc etc etc (basically anyone who uses the term "death cult") will not be accepted…)

Take your time and don't go disappearing on me like usual now!

I see we are back to the 'but do you condemn Hamas' stage of deflection

The problem with the Gaza ceasefire deal when the Biden administration was working on it in early 2024 is that it didn't have a guarantee that Hamas would not be able to rule Gaza after an Israeli withdrawal. Trump's involvement in negotiations secured the release of more of the hostages that Hamas and Islamic Jihad had held.

In other words, the war would've been over long ago if Biden had acted more like Trump. Biden should have 'out-Trumped' the Republicans - just like Engelbert Dollfuss aimed to 'out-Hitler' the Nazis.

I expect them for sure

He wants to displace Gazans and take over their land. He’s fanning the flames of an already red hot fire. I don’t agree that Trump got the ceasefire done. That was months in the planning. Trump is worse for Palestinians than the previous administration

I don't support anything Hamas has done except releasing the hostages. BUT the IDF has murdered over 100 innocent citizens of Gaza since the ceasefire. Do you condemn that?

Whatever about the lunatic's real intent, his words and mutterings on this are very very inflammatory.

And Israel seem to be bolstered and aggressed with his mutterings; only a day or so ago and Netanyahu chomping at the bit to resume the killing of Palestinians (if hostages not released by 12 noon, Saturday).

Trump has pretty much given the green light to Israel to do as you please..

Yes, I agree for Bibi,and particularly his far right friends ,Donnie's words are all their dreams come true. However I wonder if it is also a ruse to blind side them while trying to make a deal with Iran. He mentioned in a press briefing he would like to make a deal with Iran. Nethanyu would love nothing more than America to go to war with Iran, so is this plan a sop to Bibi while he tries to get a deal with Iran

Given Donnie's enormous ego and self regard I bet he craves something like a Nobel peace prize. I am not for a minute saying he will get one for making a deal with Iran,but I bet he would love one.

Then again maybe I am giving him far too much credit, and he is just doing what his son in law and others around him have long dreamed of doing in Gaza.

I just want an end to the war, the quickest way to that is for Hamas to release the hostages. Simple as that.

Those who obfuscate on that point, and there are many of them, don't appear to share the aim.

If Hamas doesn't release the hostages as they agreed to on Saturday, and there's an escalation in Israeli activity, you're o.k. with that? Because you're not getting it - if Hamas reneges on the hostage exchange, you're o.k. with that, knowing that this will cause more Palestinians to die?

How's about you condemn Israel for breaking the ceasefire agreement?

It's been widely published that Hamas is pausing the release of hostages because Isreal is not keeping to the bargain that was struck.

So, do you condemn Israel for breaking the cease fire? Just like they have done in Lebanon?