Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

The one with question mark.

But it was only meant to be rhetorical one. Hamás seems to be still terrorising Gaza and Israel responding. One side basically crippled (to the point) without any thought of their own people, and one side with resources (to the point) with thought of their own people on much greater level. Don't know which side is the most stupid one..

Even if all you are saying is true, (Its not by the way), is that justification for Hamas to just not release the hostages as per agreement and see a ceasfire break down, which will result in its own people being killed?

I do love the way that Hamas is portrayed as the good guys, who would never lie or say anything out of turn..

Have to say, I don't understand the Al Quds brigade (military wing of hamas) and their prisoners or any of it. It seems to me they have brought devastation on Gaza by resisting their jailors.

Why not just release their prisoners and perhaps Israel will let go some of the childen it is holding hostage?

Israel love taking child hostages and have been doing so long before the current genocide.

https://www.savethechildren.net/blog/what-it-means-be-palestinian-child-israeli-prison-coronavirus-times

The Israeli's will likely keep abducting children. Why, who knows, maybe they can use them for their skin bank

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/opinion/opinion-israel-needs-to-face-trial-for-organ-trafficking-claims-and-confessions/3343438

So, since there will likely be no change on the Israeli side excepting more murder and child abductions, what is the point in not releasing the Israeli prisoners? Do Al Quds brigade (military wing of hamas) want to be more like the Israeli's? I don't get it.

oh but it is true mark.
well ultimately if israel is not going to abide by the seasefire then why should it's opposition?
the reality is if israel genuinely cared about the hostages it would abide by the seasefire and insure their release, but they don't care so are happy to not abide by the seasefire and allow those hostages to remain in captivity.
not just that, but israel is happy to return to industrial scale slaughter and rape and put those hostages, however many of them that are still alive, at high risk of death.

I suppose what I should have said is, what is the point of the question? In this case, whether or not Hamas have the Palestinians best interests at heart is irrelevant. Name one other organisation/state etc which has said one word positively toward them (the Palestinians) and hasn't been labeled antisemitic. Defending them in any way shape or form is a poisoned chalice.

And their supporters here, support this behavior.

I agree they're a death cult. Funny all the support they get here, despite their disregard for the lives of the people they were elected to represent in 2006. Not returning the agreed-upon hostages by the weekend really shows a death wish and disregard for Gazan lives. I've heard that the pursuit of martyrdom appears to be a blessing in their twisted version of a religion, I don't know the details but that would surely wreck your mind.

Their supporters where? Where are all these posts I hear so much about? I've been on this thread for a couple of months and I haven't seen a single post showing this. Not a single one. I dip in and out and could easily have missed one, so fair enough if you can show me.

My sneaking suspicion is that the people who for some messed up reason justify the mass death and destruction of civilians (so long as they are Muslim of course), try to slander those who believe such actions are reprehensibly evil - as supporting a terrorist group. Could that be it?

Well, when I asked earlier about condemning Hamas for potentially stopping the ceasefire, the response was 'well, Israel….' So, how do you NOT condemn Hamas for stopping the ceasefire? Pretty much ensuring there likely won't be another one. Ever. And worst of all, giving oxygen to the orange pustule in charge in DC?

Really, Hamas risks a huge conflagration for what exactly? To become martyrs?

So this narrative you subscribe to, tells you that if mass warcrimes are again inflicted on Palestinians, it is totally the fault of Hamas (who may not even fire a bullet), and not the Israeli government, who will be the ones firing the bullets and dropping the bombs. Have I got that right?

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You clearly aren't reading my posts, and then, for some reason, ask me to condemn a group I have never shown any support for.

Or maybe you are reading them, can't actually argue any of the points, and then try to pathetically delegitamize what I say as though I support a terrorist group, when all evidence in any of my posts refute this.

Which one is it?

There have been a number of posters in the last couple of pages defending Hamas refusal to release the hostages or distracting from that refusal with references to Israel etc. They may claim not to support Hamas, but their defence of Hamas actions speaks otherwise.

Remember, if the hostages were never taken, we wouldn't be where we are today, if they had been released on October 9th, ditto. Immediate release of all the hostages prevents further bloodshed, why are there posters defending this refusal?

Any chance you would answer some of my questions?

So you are asking me to condemn something, and you don't know why?

This is quite simple. Do you support Hamas' actions in refusing to release the hostages?