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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,075 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I thought Cal Thomas was the guy Michael D called a 'wanker whipping up hate' on Newstalk years ago but it was actually Michael Graham. Michael and Cal are pretty much two cuts from the same roll of cloth.

    That was before Michael D became President for anyone choosing to get outraged at him demeaning the office of President. It is one of the reasons I'm a fan of him mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,058 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Project 2025 had a detailed plan in how to bypass these checks and balances. They published it and everything. You didn't have to be a political sleuth to know what would happen. Once you have the justice system, military and civil service on your side, US Congress is completely irrelevant. I don't think the stomach is there among Trump's opponents to oppose him by force, so they're stuffed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,072 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Doge has very little to do with saving money. It's primarily about undermining the publics trust of the institutions.

    Once that is achieved then it is easy to dismiss any concerns raised by said institution as biased against the admin.

    A few years ago the right were up in arms about the left 'defunding the police'. Now hardly a peep out of them when Trump wants to dismantle the FBI and CIA. Why? Because Trump has successfully created the impression that both these bodies are corrupt and out of control.

    Doge will do the same to medicare, medicade, USAID (already done), many social programs, education, the courts. Anything they see as not in line with their thinking.

    It has nothing to do with saving money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,497 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Russia doesn’t release American citizens for no reason- a deal has most definitely been done behind the scenes with America - likely at a loss to Ukraine


    Marc Fogel, an American teacher who was deemed wrongfully detained by Russia, has been released in what the White House described as a diplomatic thaw that could advance negotiations to end the war in Ukraine.


    https://m.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/russia-releases-imprisoned-american-marc-fogel-in-what-us-calls-a-step-toward-the-end-of-ukraine-war/a1904785458.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Assuming the electorate are as smart as you think they are, is what got the US into the mess they are in today...

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,927 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's about saving money for the upper strata. It's all about money for these people. Neoliberals are very comfortable with large police and armed forces. Everything else must go. The trick is that they've, as you said, convinced masses of people that bodies like the FBI and CIA are corrupt and so must be disbanded.

    Your average American might think they'll save a few bob because the EPA doesn't exist but they forget that what the state provides will inevitably be the preserve of corporate monopolies which will cost a great deal more. Healthcare is the cardinal example here.

    It's always about money. Always. Follow the money.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Oh God, not this "neoliberal" stuff again. These guys are raving authoritarians, not liberals (of any stripe), It used to be the case that the "neo" word was used by left-wing academics who knew very little economics. That was bad enough, but Republican/MAGA "neoliberals". Give me a break.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,058 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Musk made some claims last night about gross overspending in the US Federal budget. Like most, I am inclined to believe that he's not doing these budget cuts for entirely noble reasons, but before we all go all-in on that, has any journalist refuted Musk's claims about this government audit? An empirical analyses of what is b*llshtt and why? It would be best to have that because without it, it becomes a game of he-said she-said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,765 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2025/0212/1496196-ireland-politics/

    Ten members of the government to go to the US. The article fairly clearly says 'we know its a load of rubbish over there, but snubbing Trump would not be advisable given his volativity and spite, its in our interest to go and keep in with state administrations'. On reflection, while it sticks in the craw a bit, it might be the better decision.

    On the other hand they could be drawing Trump's attention to Ireland and it might occur to Trump to take a flicker of interest in the US presence in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,444 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Why do you need to divide people into pools in the first place. We're all humans after all. Put everyone into one pool and may the best man or woman win.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,927 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Neoliberalism prioritised the enrichment of the elite, aggressive foreign interventionism, and the shrinking of the state. The fact that they used to be soft liberals on things like same sex marriage is a small detail. Things change and they've tapped into an authoritarian base now. The snark doesn't alter that.

    Then again, the US version of the word was Neoconservative or Neocon. Maybe I should have utilised that instead but we are on a European website.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,517 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    How long before this President Musk stuff fractures Trumps hair trigger ego and he will be torpedoed and thrown under several buses on the way out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.rte.ie/news/us/2025/0212/1496224-us-russia/

    One good thing Drumpf could do, and has on more than one occasions suggested he wants to do, is end the war in Ukraine. It might come at a huge cost in land to Ukraine but he might actually bring about peace in Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,058 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Steve Bannon was fired for stealing less thunder than Musk is this very minute, so you could be waiting a while. The longer Musk hangs around, the more roots he puts down, and the harder it would be to shift him out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,717 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    If Russia gain a huge amount of land then the world is enabling Russia. It's a solution that Ukraine doesn't want and rewarding invaders doesn't historically work out well. On top of that, Trump will make no effort to prevent genocide/russification in those regions. So it might be peace in name but the reality is it won't be peace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭Seattle


    I'm not sure if I agree with this actually because one side of the divide has possession of the vast majority of those guns and the median Democrat would be more likely to appease than fight imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    If, and this is pure speculation, Musk was involved in "helping" Trump win the election, then he probably has massive leverage over him. So, he might get away with a lot more than someone else in a similar situation.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,927 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It also makes the US look pathetically weak and American protection and guarantees not worth the paper they're printed on. If pro-Ukraine aides, assuming such exist, can tie this to Trump personally, this may not happen.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,832 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Another friend of Trump seems to have a bizzare Nazi obsession

    The t-shirt with swastika had a product code of HH-1, subtle these guys are, subtler than Musk tho



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,075 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You're the person who brought pools in to the conversation, and we're not dividing people up, we're recognizing there is no difference between people.

    I feel you're arguing on the premise that prior to any sort of DEI conversation that people were in the sane pool and the best candidates were being chosen. There is vast amounts of evidence that this was not the case.

    Whites of a particular flavor only started caring about the best when they were concerned that thecworkd they were used towas changing as it couldn't be kept just for them and others like them any more. And when you need to break what was convention, you need policies to show people that what they thought was normal, never really was. Hence DEI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    If any deal on Ukrainian land is wrong it will be rejected by the EU and Ukraine. At a guess they will get the Russian speaking zones in the East and probably Crimea. Handing over areas that never wanted to be a part of Ukraine anyway is hardly a loss for anybody involved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Only wars I can see Trump interested in are trade wars



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,944 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Its clearly Trumps aim to worry the hell out of people listening to him, to unsettle them and he's succeeded. The thing now is: what effect his words on the future of Gaza and relocation of its citizens will have, especially in Jordan. I have memory enough to know what happened in Jordan in September 1970 when its government clashed with PLO in refugee camps there and I'm damn sure the Israeli Govt has it in memory as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭8mv


    As of yet there has been no invitation from the WH. It would be best if it remained that way I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭crusd


    Its actually even more insidious than that. The Oligarchy sees opportunity in filling the gap in the private sector once the provision of necessary services through the public purse is hollowed out. You are already seeing the first steps with voucher schools etc.

    Their goals are:

    • Continue to avoid paying their fair share of taxes
    • Resist calls to share the gains of their monopolies built on public infrastructure and productivity of workers
    • Eliminate regulation to further remove checks and balances on their consolidation of wealth and power
    • Have taxation on ordinary worker maintain military industrial complex and other spend that is never questioned
    • Necessary services impacted by government cuts to be taken up by the Oligarchy. This will be sold as "Private efficiency" however will in effect be an additional taxation on the ordinary person, but only those who can afford it, and the transfer of wealth to the oligarchy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,230 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I don't think Musk will be around much longer. Trump doesn't like others stealing his spotlight.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,785 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Unlike Bannon the last time around who got kicked for stealing Trumps thunder , Musk brings a LOT of money.

    Hard to know what wins the battle between Trumps Ego and his Greed.

    Either way I suspect Musk will last a lot longer than we might think or like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,814 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    well he basically gave Ukraine a ransom request a couple of days ago (to paraphrase) “we want $500bn of your rare earth and we will end the war. We have to get paid”

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    What's particularly bizarre is that the MAGA mob turn like snarling hounds on anybody, or any country that incurs trumpist displeasure in the slightest and not just the usual suspects like China or Iran. Even a year ago I'd have found it improbable that on social media Trumpist attack dogs would be foaming at the mouth and demanding retaliation against the EU, Panama and Canada, of all places. Some loon was even demanding that US special forces be sent across the border to arrest Trudeau for insulting Trump. To MAGA it seems that the whole world, with a very few exceptions, are regarded as being enemies of the USA.

    Post edited by ilkhanid on


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