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Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭Shamrockj


    The website shows 3 A330-200 being used already, YYZ daily , SEA daily, DEN X6 a week.

    In relation to LAS I don’t believe that is correct.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Not in the short term. They will probably announce 2 new XLR routes for 2026 in Sep/Oct this year.
    (or possibly 2 new routes and an upguage of an existing LR/XLR route)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    When i was flying on the MD11 think it was 11hrs block to block for Mem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭jwm121


    What is the reasoning for having DEN x6, why not make it daily? Do they have the aircraft to expand LAS to year round, could maybe do better in the summer if loads weren't great.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    2nd question: probably not, because Denver is operating in the Summer and other routes are upguaging/increased in frequency.

    1st question: EI have access to data about booking habits and possible connection traffic. Thus they decided 7xweekly was sufficient.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    EI-121, DUB-MCO had a compressor stall approx 30 mins after takeoff today. Returned to Dublin.

    EI we're able to switch aircraft and get them underway quite quickly.

    A mate sent me a link to a Twitter/X. Here is an old fashioned news report:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2025/0211/1496150-plane-dublin-airport/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭Comhrá


    And RTE couldn't even be bothered to show a photograph of the correct aircraft type for their 'coverage'

    Pic shows an A320 instead of an A330. A bit amateurish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭Shamrockj


    I would imagine it relates to maintenance, 3 A330-200 are used every other day except for the 1 day that DEN doesn’t operate so I would imagine it allows for maintenance schedule.

    Post edited by Shamrockj on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    Airborne 1353, landed 1417 - they didn't do much more than a very wide circuit.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    This is normal. Especually in aviation. Media outlets use file pictures.

    Most of the public don't know the difference, or care.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,703 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,167 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I've definitely seen a picture of an EI 737 accompanying a 'news' article within the last few years

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭Noxegon


    The Irish Times used to routinely use pictures of a Ryanair 737-200 – with Aer Lingus Fokker 50s in the background – to illustrate anything at all to do with Dublin Airport.

    They haven't done it in a while, probably because a few letter writers called them out on it, including me :)

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 JPONeill


    Are there any rumors of a widebody order or more ex Qatar 330s coming anytime soon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Astral Nav


    No more wide bodies planned in the short to medium term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    One of the 330 was been parked for winter but that was stopped after the XLR delays. Forward bookings are strong for Q2 25.

    Someone mentioned about LAS not doing too well. From my information its operating within projections. What that means, I have no idea but it seems to be ok!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    LAS has an average LF of about 70-80%. That’s excellent for a new route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,167 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    ex Qatar 330s

    would they go down that route again?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    They aren’t going down that route that we know of, but if they were, it would be because they have a lot of low cycle GE powered 330’s that have been well maintained and looked after that would likely be available at a good price.

    The issue with EIK/L was that they were never meant to enter service until they were refitted. It was a combination of a quicker that expected recovery from Covid and a lack of available cabin fittings after the lockdown. Meaning they ended up in service without being refit.

    GEY is also ex QR and never had those issues because it came in and was upgraded immediately. If EI can get some 333’s at a good price from QR they’d be all over them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    EI-GEY wasn’t upgraded immediately though, it operated for quite a while with an old business class cabin, it was angled seating in a 2-2-2 configuration. Economy simply received some green seat covers and was good to go. I seem to remember EI-GEY was upgraded and was back in service just before the pandemic grounded it for months on end.

    There’s still significant delays in the supply chain, I believe the next two XLR’s are a little behind because of this too, unrelated to Airbus itself.

    As for wide body fleet expansion, I think it makes sense they’re not looking for more in the short to medium term, every North American city that can be considered viable on the A330 right now is probably already served by them or others. I think we’ll see one or two more added over the next couple of years before they take another look at overall replacement nearer the end of the decade but even that seems like a massive ask considering the song and dance they went through to secure the XLR in the end.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 dean333


    It took a while for GEY to be fitted initally, it also came with a GE engine that was giving high vibration when it first came, it always has been doing the YYZ recently due its performance& ability vs other 330-200’s

    There is a fleet freeze basically for 2 years you could call it, no new aircraft coming for 2 years(2027) except 4 321 XLRS and 2 320 neo (EI-NSG/NSH) ETOPS rated rumour has it until IAG gives them more with demand



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭jwm121


    How exactly did the two EI UK 333s fit into the fleet when they were based in Dublin as well? They still operate all 330 routes the same if not with higher capacity. Will they bring back the 330s from Manchester to expand at Dublin (if the cap allows) or do they plan on keeping that base for the longer term?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 dean333


    Manchester base is doing really well I think , don’t see it being reduced, they fitted in by doing the likes of IAD EWR pre Covid for example

    Post edited by dean333 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    I’m corrected, yes GEY did operate for a short period of time prior to being refit. Interestingly enough I just remembered that it still has old QR stylings on the bulkheads etc. or atleast it did last time I flew it, around October.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 LimaBravoTango


    Appreciate the insight. What would EI have in mind with ETOPS rated A320NEOs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Either Manchester would need to be losing a significant amount of money (it’s not) or an opportunity in Dublin would arise at very short notice that’s too good to turn down for those A330s to come back. I think it’s unlikely anything like that is going to happen.

    In terms of loads, EIUK has been trending significantly higher this winter than the previous year. While that’s only one indication, it’s a positive one.

    Anyway, at present there really isn’t anywhere else for Aer Lingus to go with the A330 that screams big profits, they’ve got most cities that need A330 range well covered. A few capacity increases on existing routes may be tempting but increased frequency might be the preferred option here with narrow bodies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,742 ✭✭✭john boye




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 LimaBravoTango


    This would likely mean a sub-fleet of A320NEOs with a different seating layout for longer distance flights…I highly doubt it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    true but if you add suitable SH to feed the A330’s you can create extra demand. I’m sure EK never thought they could sustain 10 or 11 flights to London from Dubai but incremental growth and a huge hub makes it possible.


    not suggesting EI can rival EK in terms of size but no growth in aircraft means no growth in pax/profit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 dean333


    I believe same config as the existing 320 neos, I saw recently westjet announced st.johns in light of ei thinking about it

    It’s about the same flight time if not about 10-15mins more than dalaman route



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