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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • #42272
    Yeah_Right
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158021#Comment_123158021

    I think you're right about him living in Wales. He's married to that Welsh presenter on TNT Sports isn't he?



  • #42273
    ionadnapóca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Because he & Baird can also play Lock

    FYI I dont mind Izzy or Prendergast either.

    Ahern, Izzy or whoever is not "a risk" when you play the ENTIRE Leinster pack 1-19 v Wales!



  • #42274
    ionadnapóca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158021#Comment_123158021

    WRU want Easterby and want Smith. They can Want all they want!

    They'd be lucky to get and also even afford a coach like Dan McFarland.

    Matt Williams! Come on down!



  • #42275
    P.Walnuts
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    We are going for a slam and a third Championship in a row, we're not going to be messing around no matter who the opposition is.

    I'd wager the only change akin to what is being discussed above thats even remotely likely is Boyle benching ahead of Healy.

    McCarthy, injury permitting back in at the expense of Baird or POM.

    Hansen and Furlong maybe/hopefully back too ( I'd stick with Nash though)



  • #42276
    ionadnapóca
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158178#Comment_123158178

    I know and understand.

    Does that mean that because he was subsequently added to the squad he now CANT play? Or did I misunderstand how that works?

    Best not to discuss personal preference here I suppose. On a discussion forum. About Irish rugby.



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  • #42277
    TRC10
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158223#Comment_123158223

    We are going for a slam and a third Championship in a row, we're not going to be messing around no matter who the opposition is.

    This is Ireland’s problem. We always end up getting seduced by the prospect of short term results and always show up to the World Cup grossly underprepared with a stale, old squad with no depth and invariably get dumped out in the quarters. We’re doing the exact same again and the same result awaits us.



  • #42278
    Must love hardship
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158677#Comment_123158677

    The draw for the world cup is made this coming December/ January.

    Its very important for Ireland to stay as high as possible in the ranking to hopefully get a more favourable draw.

    A slam and win against France would go along way to retaining 2nd spot going into the November Internationals.

    Irelands openents in the summer tour won't have a great bearing on our seedings. Actually smart enough not to be touring SA or NZ when majority of players gone on Lions.



  • #42279
    Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3
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    New coach bounce coming from Wales.



  • #42280
    P.Walnuts
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158720#Comment_123158720

    Is Prendergast old and stale? Clarkson? Gus McCarthy? Osbourne? All introduced in the past 12 months Boyle soon to be capped you'd expect.

    We're doing absolutely fine bringing young players through, some people seem to want to send the A team out against Wales.

    My only gripe is Healy at this point. 6 is debatable but POM was absolutely fine on Sunday. He'll be gone in 3 games time most likely ( debatable if he'll even be involved) and then that jersey is definitely up for grabs.



  • #42281
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158092#Comment_123158092

    Boyle is ahead of Milne , which is why he's gone to Munster for 1st team game time next season.

    Wycherley is barely URC standard. He simply hasn't kicked on at all after showing initial promise.



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  • #42282
    bingobango12
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158092#Comment_123158092

    Are you aware Boyle has been selected in the squad while the other two haven't? Maybe they should ignore the chosen squad completely and start with a back row of Timoney, Penny and Coombes?



  • #42283
    Former Former Former
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158248#Comment_123158248

    Does that mean that because he was subsequently added to the squad he now CANT play? 

    It just means it's extremely unlikely. Like, Ahern being omitted from the initial squad wasn't a big surprise and he's behind the likes of Izuchukwu and Prendergast on merit, no matter what Simon Zebo says.

    Best not to discuss personal preference here I suppose. On a discussion forum. About Irish rugby.

    Well, you're talking about using the Wales match to give a test debut to a guy who's not even in the squad and has a wafer-thin CV of senior club rugby. Can you see why people are questioning it?



  • #42284
    eagle eye
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158789#Comment_123158789

    When did Boyle get ahead of Milne? It must have been very recently. Would it have been when Milne decided his time at Leinster was over?



  • #42285
    ionadnapóca
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159015#Comment_123159015

    No problem with questioning. Just don't like smartarseness is all.

    Tom Ahern is a freak. Ireland need more freaks. Wafer-thin CV is pushing it now! He is in the squad btw. Back to Munster for Scarlets.



  • #42286
    eagle eye
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158903#Comment_123158903

    Why are you talking about the back row when we are talking about the front row?

    Milne was starting or on the bench in the URC for the first couple of games. I remember Boyle starting against Connacht and Milne wasn't on the bench.

    So I'm wondering if Milne had decided he was leaving and then frozen out after he declared that.



  • #42287
    Mr Tickle
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    The only real threat from Wales is Jack Morgan and Aaron Wainwright in the back row. Our breakdown looked iffy at times at the weekend so as long as we stay awake to that and keep them quiet we don't have much to worry about.

    I'd like to see a couple of changes, but nothing that resembles a 2nd string team either. One of Izuchuckwu or Prendergast at 6, maybe rotate Crowley and Sam P, and then maybe look at an alternative to Cian Healy off the bench.

    Baird is in the lead for 6 at the moment, but I don't think it's by much. He has the edge in terms of experience for sure so I feel like rotating him with one of the others makes sense. Plus you'll have Conan on the bench in case they're having a nightmare.

    It might even be ideal if Furlong is back, to start him, then have a new loosehead coming off the bench with Bealham and Sheehan/Kelleher.



  • #42288
    Former Former Former
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159110#Comment_123159110

    The 'wafer-thin' comment related to your proposal for Paul Murphy as replacement SH, he is the one not in the squad.

    Is Ahern a freak? He's a very good player and a great prospect but what freakish attributes does he have compared to Baird or Izuchukwu?



  • #42289
    sydthebeat
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159160#Comment_123159160

    Jack Boyle overtook Michael Milne in relation to Ireland last year when he was selected to play for the emerging Ireland squad, while Milne was playing for Leinster in the URC.

    There is no conspiracy here, just people who can see why and people who cannot see why.



  • #42290
    eagle eye
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159221#Comment_123159221

    He was definitely ahead of him for Leinster last year and at the start of this year. Suddenly he disappeared completely from lineups and he wasn't injured. Now he's gone to Munster.

    It's perfectly reasonable to assume he made his intentions known and was frozen out. I'd do it if I was picking Leinster teams because I'd want to develop players who were staying.



  • #42291
    Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159253#Comment_123159253

    He wasn't ahead of him for Leinster at the start of the season.



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  • #42292
    ionadnapóca
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159189#Comment_123159189

    Ah! Yes Ben Murphy is leftfield! (& that was unrelated to my 'discussion' gripe...anyway).

    He's probably the form 9 in the country behind JGP. Another blinder this weekend and he could be called up (ahead of Blade this time).

    Ahern is 6'9'' 18st plus and fast. That's a freak!

    Baird is another.

    19. Baird 20. Ahern 21. Murphy. Ireland still win 30+

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  • #42293
    sydthebeat
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159253#Comment_123159253

    What are you taking about??

    You asked "When did Boyle get ahead of Milne? It must have been very recently"

    I've just explained to you when it happened.

    You even suggested that josh Wycherley (who is no where near good enough for Munster, never mind Ireland) should be ahead of boyle for Ireland.

    Post edited by sydthebeat on


  • #42294
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159253#Comment_123159253

    How was he definitely ahead of him last year? Their seasons basically had zero overlap due to injury, the one game they played together Boyle started ahead of Milne. Boyle started 6 matches and Milne started 1.

    Boyle was absolutely ahead of him for all of this season. You have your causality completely backwards - Milne is leaving because he fell behind Boyle.



  • #42295
    eagle eye
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159265#Comment_123159265

    Well why was he playing and no sign of Boyle in the match day squads at the start of this season? Up to the middle of October or thereabouts?



  • #42296
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159092#Comment_123159092

    When Boyle was fast tracked out of the Academy and on to a Snr Contract at the end of last season - Injury has slowed his progress , but he is seen as having a considerably higher ceiling that Milne.

    Paddy McCarthy is also seen as having a higher ceiling than Milne and can play both sides of the Scrum.

    Milne has been dropping down the Leinster pecking order for quite some time now and that's before you consider someone like Alex Usanov who'll be getting more game time next season as well.



  • #42297
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159333#Comment_123159333

    Boyle was injured



  • #42298
    eagle eye
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    Well besides all that Boyle hasn't shown anything to suggest he should be in the Irish 23.

    Milne to me seemed more solid but again not enough for an Ireland 23.

    We'll see if Milne becomes the starter in Munster. I'm not sure he will.

    Is Boyle ahead of Healy for a CC game?



  • #42299
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159405#Comment_123159405

    Is Boyle ahead of Healy for a CC game?

    Not yet, but he has started a CC game which is more than Milne ever has

    Milne to me seemed more solid

    Which is fair enough, but it would appear every single coach they've both worked with disagree.

    Given Boyle was trusted to start games last year and Milne wasn't, it seems pretty clear that Boyle was rated higher already then. Milne has been behind for at least 18 months now. He looked decent in 22/23 so hopefully the move to Munster re-invigorates his career.



  • #42300
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159405#Comment_123159405

    Well , the Irish coaches clearly think he has shown something to suggest that he should be in an Irish 23 given that they keep selecting him in the squad.

    I think Boyle will be ahead of Healy by the end of the season, yes.

    You're calling for Milne to get capped against Wales but you don't think he'll take the Munster jersey from Loughman or Stephen Archer?

    Milne will be in every big match 23 for Munster and start a lot of them , Loughman will fight him for it , but they'll share minutes.

    The rest of the Loose heads in Munster are miles back from those 2.



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  • #42301
    Quin_Dub
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    Just to get things back on the topic of the next Game - Gatland has stepped down with immediate effect and the Cardiff Head Coach , Matt Sherratt (who I have never even heard of tbh) will take over.

    Desperately sad to see how bad things have gotten for Welsh Rugby..



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