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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,807 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    What differences do you see between them playing 13? Henshaw is more of a battering ram while Ringrose is a bigger threat to break the line. Henshaw is normally a fantastic defender but Ringrose is a great defender too. They are both great players but I don't see enough differences to see how the change makes a marked difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭FrannoFan


    Yes, France are good at picking younger sides and yet they have also failed to win the world cup (which isn't the be all and end all) and in addition they have won just one championship in 15 years. In the same time period

    Ireland won 5

    England 4

    Wales 4

    I'd rather keep winning the tournament in front of me rather than picking a side for the right age profile for a competition in 2 years time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Well if you look at the two selected centres, you've got two battering rams. And Henshaw is hellishly difficult to tackle as is Aki. So I'd say that's where to look for reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Love the selection - POM is a sponge and shithousery merchant - there to absorb all the Scottish vigour and then game opens up later with Conan and Baird. They will add so much in the last 30 or so. Scots will run out of steam after throwing the kilts and socks and everything else at us after Flower of Scotland.

    Great to see Sam still there and even the Ringrose one is interesting as it again allows expansion later in the game.

    Can see us winning this quite handily to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,052 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I can understand the selection of POM for this game. Scotland have potentially the best attacking game in this competition. We'll need someone who is an expert at slowing the oppositions ball at the ruck. That's what O'Mahony has been brilliant at for years.

    Caelan Doris has become the most effective ruck cheater in Europe in recent years. Having the two of them in the backrow makes sense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,740 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    France had had some terrible championship results in that time too. France tend to go "all or nothing" where Ireland tends to take a less peaky, more consistent approach.

    Ireland don't always get it right but they've been competitive pretry consistently over the last good few years. It .makes it difficult to say goodbye to players like o mahony and healy. In a French clear out approach, Healy would probably be replaced by Boyle who gets hammered and hivesxawayca rake of penalties this year and is much improved by the world cup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,716 ✭✭✭almostover


    I can understand the selection of POM for this game. Scotland have a strong backrow when it comes to ruck time, Ritchie and Darge if left unchecked could make a mess of our ruck ball. Baird's prowess is in the lineout and carrying in wide channels, he's not top level when it comes to securing quick ruck ball. Conan is an elite carrier, but again not noted for his ruck work. POM is the opposite, not a top level carrier, but his game is all about the ruck and lineout. That's where he is/was elite.

    The Curry's made a mess of our ruck ball for the 1st 50mins of the England game, the POM selection is to ensure that Scotland don't do the same. That's all POM will play barring injury to others. His job is to secure our ruck ball and lineout ball.

    The sh*thousery angle is just clickbait. He may engage in that but that's not why he was picked.

    Edit: Scotland team just named and they've picked Dempsey and dropped Ritchie. Think that helps us if anything. Dempsey is a good carrier but hardly a world beater. I'd have Ritchie over him any day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    I think you're looking at Conan circa three or four years ago. He's since added ruck goblin to his CV and has had some very good turnover work since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭mun1


    well done to POM, well deserved and shows he is still a fantastic player for ireland .

    Would he put retirement on hold for another shot at the lions ?

    Would be a great way to end an excellent career.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,808 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    One reason why Henshaw might be the better pick this week is that the Scotland back three is significantly better than England's.

    Ringrose loves to be the shooter in defence, to come out of the line and make a big hit or force a mistake. With Kinghorn at 15, Graham at 14 and also Huw Jones at 13, I think Scotland are better prepared to play their way around a shooter and take advantage of gaps than England were with Steward, Murley, Freeman and Lawrence. Even DVDM isn't much of a baller but give him some space and he can run very fast in a straight line.

    So bringing in Henshaw might be designed to keep a tighter reign on defence in a more traditional pattern. I agree that it doesn't need to be seen as Ringrose being dropped.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    I agree with POM starting due to the impact the bench is going to have when they all come on, but why is it well deserved? Has he not been injured and missed most Munster games this season?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,807 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    South Africa had more players 30 and over in their squad in 23 than under and a couple of fairly old boys in Le Roux, Vermeulen, Fourie and Nyakane



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,052 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    The Scotland team has been named. They've gone 6-2 for their bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    How do Sheehan and Kelleher match up on lineout throwing accuracy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    My off the top of the head data says Sheehan is the better. But there are so many intricacies to the lineout that it's hard to know. I'm sure there's some stats guru out there with data, but I don't know of them.

    Like that throw that Itoje got penalised for. Without the intervention of the ref (kudos to Ben O'Keefe for that one) we'd probably have been blaming the hooker. Itoje's little push was so innocuous looking but so effective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,605 ✭✭✭ersatz


    What a time to be an Ireland fan with a bench like that to come on in a 6 nations game. Sure, the squad trends old but depth is amazing and there is a spine of young players in that team that gives a lot of reason to be optimistic. Front Row and 9 is still mystery but elsewhere we have a lot of young guys in the pipeline. POM starting is a bit of a surprise though not that shocked to see Hendo given the heave ho, of the below average performances last weeks his was fairly anonymous. POM should help build on last weeks line out performance, for me one of the most important boxes to tick is to make our line out bullet proof as we are always vulnerable when its not purring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,116 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I hope we see more direct carrying off of Prendergast. Scotland won't have as effective a defense as England I think, we could make a lot of gains. Want to see SP back himself a bit more to exploit gaps



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,081 ✭✭✭accensi0n


    We could be behind by 10 with 30 mins to go and I'd still be confident of winning by at least 10 with our bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    Thats not going happen.. it's not part of his game at the minute



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭hold my beer




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭flatface


    this comment hopefully ages badly! I reckon he will go better Sunday than last outing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    he absolutely has it in his locker ??!! Agree entirely this will age badly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭Packrat


    This comment isnt going to age very well either I'd think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,768 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    He's played more minutes than Ryan Baird who started last week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    What’s that got to do with anything? I asked why is it well deserved for POM to start as the poster stated. I never mentioned anyone “deserving” to start so am interested to hear why it’s deserved for POM to start when he’s played so little this year. Exact same thing I’d ask if someone said that it’s well deserved that Baird starts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,937 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You want SP to change his entire game for Scotland?

    SP doesn't carry where there's a good chance he'll be tackled.

    He'll carry when he thinks he has space, but not into contact if he can avoid it.

    In fact, his most dangerous attribute is the panic offload he sometimes does when he is faced with taking contact unexpectedly.

    In every single game I've seen from him so far there's been at least one time where he flings the ball away recklessly rather than keep the ball and taking the tackle

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,807 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You never mentioned Baird so your question about POM was naturally taken as suggesting he's played less than anybody else.

    So that's what its got to do with.

    As regards him playing, he's played three Champions cup games, he played in the AI's so he's got plenty of rugby under his belt in the last couple of months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,116 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    The match from saturday is up online, can you show where he panic flung the ball away? One might be inclined to think you have ungenerous view of Prendergast. He has shown that he has no issues running the ball, both vs England and with Leinster. He could do with trusting himself to take opportunities that present themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    How? we are nearly mid way between world cups and we are reverting to POM instead of investing gametime in the likes of Izuchukwu/Baird/Prendergast or even Tom Ahern at 6.

    Likewise at LHP I think we should be getting Jack Boyle some meaningful gametime instead of waiting until the summer when we play Portugal, georgia and Romania.

    Murray In the 21 shirt I get given Casey is injured



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Yet more pathetic stuff

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