Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

Seattle · 06-02-2025 11:15PM

I think it's easy for us to view player outgoings/incomings as purely transactional. We lose two attackers and again zero, so we must be worse. But maybe the environment in the dressing room will greatly improve now - the last couple of months must've been awkward with the Rashford situation.

Cotts72 · 07-02-2025 12:14AM

I think the best hope we have is that 1 or 2 youth players get a chance in the coming months and seize it

Technophobe · 07-02-2025 12:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123140089#Comment_123140089

Welcome back Bangkok...😉🤣

Only kidding.

IrishOwl... · 07-02-2025 09:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123142774#Comment_123142774

Its probably a combination of both. Liverpool have a stupidly strong squad, and that I suppose is thanks to Klopp, but Slot must be given credit for how he adapted Liverpool's approach. They're a still a hugely aggressive pressing team, but are much more reserved about how they go about it. They seem to be able to dominate games, create scoring opportunities aplenty, but without giving away half the number of chances to the opposition, like what happened in games under Klopp. This conservative approach seems to be also helping the health of the squad, they have very few, if any injuries of note. I recently read that when Liverpool was searching for a new manager, health and longevity of the squad were a top priority. And the 2 names that came out on top for those credentials were Slot and Amorim!

Also, Sot must be giving credit for what’s happening with Gravenbirch. For all the talk about their forwards, particularly Gakpo and Salah. He’s the guy that has completely change the dynamic of the team and to me, I don’t think they have anyone that can remotely come close to replacing him, if he was to get injured.

Mitch Connor · 07-02-2025 10:14AM

Will be interesting to see the team he picks today. We have had a week before this match, and week so we don't need to rotate for fitness, imo.

With Martinez out I thini we should go full strength to try work on whatever the solution to him being out would be.

I'd like to see:

IrishOwl... · 07-02-2025 10:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123143821#Comment_123143821

I haven't seen UTD the last few weeks, but is Manioo now playing in one of the No.10 roles with Bruno back deeper?

The Big Easy · 07-02-2025 10:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123143886#Comment_123143886

I believe Bruno is RA's first choice partner for Ugarte currently.

Mainoo has played one full game as a 10 and started another as a false 9.

I don't think RA trusts him fully in the two yet, but I wouldn't say it's impossible that he does eventually.

Bruno has been more disciplined and effective in the middle two lately and I think it's his best position currently.

Mitch Connor · 07-02-2025 10:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123143886#Comment_123143886

Happened once. agaisnt FCSB.

If Amad is right wing back - i think you are then limited to Bruno or Mainoo up top. So in other matches if Dalot is RWB and you have AMad up top, and Bruno CM - then playing Mainoo further up top moves less pieces around.

PARlance · 07-02-2025 10:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123143906#Comment_123143906

I think Amorim seems happy to play Bruno deeper in games that he expects more possession. I'm not quite sure he would play him there against "stronger" opposition. (Any opposition may feel like stronger opposition at the moment.)

It'll be interesting to see what he does tonight re Mainoo / Striker. I would be hoping that Mainoo is at 10 and that we try to get Hojlund or Zirkzee into some kind of scoring form. Not fussed on which one of them he goes with, but I would like to see him going with the same attitude as the Palace game, i.e no lumping balls into the striker.

The Big Easy · 07-02-2025 10:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123143956#Comment_123143956

Agree, have to play one of them tonight, Zirkzee is more of a naturally confident player I would say. Hojlund, however is seriously in the doldrums and badly needs a goal if he plays, you can see the confidence drain out of him with each game.

Edit: Alos who do you think his first choice partner is for tougher matches; Collyer, Mainoo? I think it's probably still Bruno, but hard to know.

Looking forward to some improvement now that it's a game a week for a while.

Hodors Appletart · 07-02-2025 11:18AM

Yoro on the left Mitch?

Hasn't he been playing on the right? Is he a left footer?

Is Maguire suspended or injured? I can't see him not playing. I know what you posted is what you would like, and not what you think the manager will do, but I think Yoro x Dorgu in the left channel is asking for trouble, personally

Mitch Connor · 07-02-2025 11:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123144084#Comment_123144084

He was the one who went to lcb after the injury iirc. We've played him there a couple of times. He is right footed, but Heaven is the only left footer we have and I wouldnt throw him in.

No matter who we play left is an issue, yoro has better recovery pace than the others.

PARlance · 07-02-2025 11:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123143985#Comment_123143985

Yip, although I said I wasn't fussed on which striker, preference would be for Hojlund based on what you said, he probably needs a boost in confidence more.

If we were playing the likes of Liverpool tonight, I think it would be Collyer and Ugarte with Bruno advanced. Collyer seems to have jumped ahead of Mainoo for that role / Amorim seems to have doubts on Mainoo in that role.

With the way the games are falling and the mini clear out from January, I think we should be expecting to see a bit of improvement now. While Amorim needs time, it's not unreasonable to expect to see some progress imo.

Whatsisname · 07-02-2025 01:44PM

Yoro actually mentioned in his interview with Rio the other day he prefers playing on the left.

DrPhilG · 07-02-2025 02:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123144604#Comment_123144604

If he's good enough there, happy days. Him on the left, De Ligt or Maguire in the middle and Maz on the right of the 3 sounds like a plan. Dorgu on the left WB and Dalot/Amad on the right.

El Gato De Negocios · 07-02-2025 02:31PM

Will Dorgu start this evening i wonder?

Mitch Connor · 07-02-2025 02:57PM

All the talk about PSR rules lately - forgot they are due to be replaced next season - with Squad Cost cap.

Hopefully that all gets confirmed soon and someone can explain the impacts.

Squad Cost will apparently be Football Wages (Players and Coaches) + Transfer Costs + Agent Fees / Revenue + Transfer Fees.

If thats the case… then the massive losses we had last season aren't considered any more? Debt payments wouldn't be considered any more?

Based on Revenue of 661 last season
70% (If in europe) would be 463m
85% (not in europe) would be 561m

This has player wages at 183m. This wouldn't include coaching wages (but would exclude non-football staff) so maybe its 200m to 220m? Random guesses. Transfer costs I would guess around 118m with Casemiro, 102 if we sold him.

So about 300m - 280 if we sell Rashford and Casemiro (I calced based on Rashford sold) So space of 160m to 260m depending on the percentage we aim for, before any money for Rashford, Casemiro, Sancho is factored in.

4 players on 150k a week would be 31m, leaving 130million in space?

https://www.capology.com/club/manchester-united/salaries/

DrPhilG · 07-02-2025 03:04PM

I see the Napoli boss has come out and said that Garnacho wanted to leave United in January but his wage demands were too high so Napoli pulled out.

If (big if) that's true then there's still a strong possibility that he'll be off in the summer. Sounds like he's keen on moving rather than simply being sold for financial reasons a la McTominay.

As I say though that's IF it's true. The Napoli fella might just be spoofing to make up for the fact that they didn't get it over the line.

Iseedeadpixels · 07-02-2025 03:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123144820#Comment_123144820

Amorim has said him and Heaven could be in the squad, so probably on the bench.

DM_7 · 07-02-2025 03:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123144967#Comment_123144967

It is clear United were open to selling for a big fee and that his agent would have spoke to Napoli.

If he his club were shopping him around then he was sure to look, or have his agent look, for the best deal for him.

The need or desire to sell him next summer will depend on the circumstances at that time. Can they shift other players, is he seen as a key player, will he be seen as a player to sell to bring others in?

If he is playing, playing well, getting well paid but not locked into a mad contract, with United moving in the right direction then he might want to stay on longer.

If things are not going well for him, and he gets a chance to go to a higher performing club that will use him better then it's safe to think he would be interested in a transfer.

Mitch Connor · 07-02-2025 04:09PM

From what I read/heard (via twitter, reddit, discord etc - not claiming I have any conversation with anyone at United) over the month - Garnacho the winger doesn't really fit what Amorim wants to do long term and he was told this.

But told in a 'I need my players in this position to play this way, and this is not your game'. Loads of players got this message. Garnacho then started to look elsewhere. At the same time, Garnacho also trained well (after City…) and has worked at adapting his game under Amorim. Its not perfect, he may still look to move, but he has put the effort into changing his game where needed and the evidence and comments from Amorim would indicate this has been seen and appreciated. He could have thrown his toys out of the pram, decied he is just a winger, and probably have been sold.

So fair play to the kid.

I'd also side-eye the fact his brother has been quiet on twitter since the City game… and I don't think that is a coincidence.

kyleman · 07-02-2025 04:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123145157#Comment_123145157

Exactly fair play to him. He is far from the finished article but his potential is huge.

I read articles all the time about the great kid that has just joined United and when you read through the details most of them are 17 or 18, Garnacho is just 20 and his achievements are already stacking up.

As for his agent looking for huge wages from Napoli maybe Garnacho just wanted to be priced out of the move and he is happy in Manchester.

The next few months are very important for his future United career.

y0ssar1an22 · 07-02-2025 04:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123144933#Comment_123144933

i'm massively confused by this and cant find a decent article/video on it. interest will be factored in as per the below. to be able to spend big we will need considerable owner funding (acceptable deviation).

i have asked copilot and here is the answer. I have cut out some of the questions I asked and only posted answers.

Starting from the 2025/26 season, the Premier League will transition to UEFA's Financial Sustainability Regulations (FSR), which focus on squad cost ratios. This means that the current Profit and Sustainability Rules (PSR) will be replaced by the FSR.

So, in the 2025/26 season, the Premier League will only use the FSR rules, aligning with UEFA's approach to ensure financial stability and sustainability in European football.

The Financial Sustainability Regulations (FSR) introduced by UEFA focus on three main pillars: solvency, stability, and cost control. These rules aim to ensure clubs maintain financial health by limiting spending on player wages, transfer fees, and agent fees to a percentage of their revenue1. Specifically, clubs in European competitions must keep these costs under 70% of their revenue, while clubs not in Europe can spend up to 85%.

No, the Financial Sustainability Regulations (FSR) cover more than just the percentage of revenue spent on the squad. Here are some key aspects:

Squad Cost Ratio: Limits spending on player wages, transfers, and agent fees to a percentage of club revenue (70% for clubs in European competitions, 85% for non-European clubs).
Solvency Rules: Ensure clubs can meet their financial obligations, preventing excessive debt.
Stability Rules: Monitor and control financial health to avoid financial distress.
Breakeven Requirement: Clubs must not spend more than they earn, maintaining financial balance over a multi-year period.
Increased Transparency: Regular financial reporting and audits to ensure compliance with regulations.

Under UEFA's Financial Sustainability Regulations (FSR), interest payments on debt are considered relevant expenses and are factored into the breakeven requirement.

The breakeven requirement is a key component of UEFA's Financial Fair Play (FFP) and Financial Sustainability Regulations (FSR). It aims to ensure that clubs do not spend more than they earn, promoting financial stability and sustainability. Here are the main aspects of the breakeven requirement:

Assessment Period: Clubs are assessed over a rolling three-year period.
Acceptable Deviation: Clubs can have an aggregate loss of up to €30 million over three years if it is covered by direct contributions from owners or related parties.
Relevant Income vs. Relevant Expenses: The requirement compares relevant income (such as ticket sales, broadcasting rights, sponsorships, etc.) with relevant expenses (such as player wages, transfer fees, and operating costs). Certain expenses, like youth development and infrastructure costs, are excluded.
Sanctions: Clubs that fail to meet the breakeven requirement can face various sanctions, including fines, transfer restrictions, and even exclusion from European competitions.

The acceptable deviation in UEFA's Financial Fair Play (FFP) and Financial Sustainability Regulations (FSR) refers to the allowed aggregate loss that clubs can incur over a specific period without facing sanctions, provided certain conditions are met. Here are the key details:

Three-Year Assessment Period: Clubs are evaluated over a rolling three-year period.
Amount: The acceptable deviation is typically €30 million over three years. However, if the excess over this amount is covered by direct contributions from the club's owners or related parties, it may be tolerated.
Owner Contributions: Clubs can exceed the €30 million limit if the excess is covered by contributions from the club’s owners or related parties. This means that financial support from owners can offset higher losses.

In theory, yes. If a club makes a loss of €200 million over three years and the owners cover €170 million of that loss, the remaining €30 million would fall within the acceptable deviation limit. Assuming the club meets all other criteria, such as the no overdue payments rule and maintaining solvency and stability, they would not be sanctioned under UEFA's Financial Sustainability Regulations (FSR).

Mitch Connor · 07-02-2025 05:13PM

So squad cost is probably fine - but Breakeven Requiremen will see us in trouble. What is included in Relevant Expenses will also be a problem if debt payments are in there, as you would assume they will be.

Mitch Connor · 07-02-2025 05:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123145193#Comment_123145193

I wouldn;t believe what Napoli say tbh. The player was greedy is better than 'we were too cheap to agree a fee'.

PARlance · 07-02-2025 06:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123145356#Comment_123145356

I think it's a case of not believing the sensational headlines that are going around.

The quotes from their sporting director were fairly well reasoned. They didn't want to be bringing in a youngster as one of their highest earners in case it rocked the boat. They are top of Serie A and run a tight enough ship financially.

Mitch Connor · 07-02-2025 06:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123145549#Comment_123145549

I just don't believe they send multiple bids without knowing they could agree a contract with him.

PARlance · 07-02-2025 06:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123145578#Comment_123145578

I'm not sure of the timelines but it seemed that the clubs were negotiating first, but they probably started talking to the agent soon after that.

It seems that we were looking for a bit more than they valued him at, and he was looking for a bit more than made sense to their wage structure. They walked away. For me anyway, it all seemed reasonable enough, it seems more a case of some media outlets sensationalising it for clicks.

y0ssar1an22 · 07-02-2025 07:03PM

dorgu starts

jayo44 · 07-02-2025 07:03PM

Utd XI vs Leicester City: Onana, Mazraoui, Dorgu, Fernandes, Hojlund, Yoro, Amad, Dalot, Ugarte, Mainoo, Maguire

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