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Cork Airport - *Read Mod Note in First Post Before Posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭TheBetsy


    I guess it shows that Cork and Dublin are not in competition with each other? When the airline can't serve Dublin, their next airport to serve on the list is Gatwick, Manchester etc. They don't care about serving the likes of Cork or Shannon so with the cap in Dublin, Ireland looses out overall as that capacity is just going to other countries, instead of being diverted to Cork/SNN. That would be my take on it anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    If they are aware of the cap in Dublin and only interested in flying to Dublin, why are they ringing him up asking if the cap applies to other Irish airports?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    Obviously they are looking at Cork or Shannon, but it sounds like Kenny Jacobs doesn’t want to say that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭Captainsatnav


    That 'reporting' by the examiner was just a transcript job of whatever stream of consciousness came out of him. No insight or follow up questions at all obviously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Frostybrew


    I hope this isn't the extent of the capital master plan which is due for release in Q1 2025. It's pretty much a rehash of the previous 2013 master plan, except the pier extension is to the south of the terminal, and the cargo and general aviation areas remain in situ. Indeed, the 2013 plan is a rehash of an earlier plan from the mid 2000s when the new terminal was opened.

    The article mentions "six major capital projects", which is a bit of an overstatement, as it is really one major capital project (the pier extension) and four minor enhancements, along with the demolition of a disused building to allow for the pier extension.

    According to the article these six are to be completed by 2027. Perhaps a runway extension will be included in the 2028 to 2035 period. Extended taxiways are also required, along with further terminal extensions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    Article states that there will be 3 737 Max aircraft based here, but booking system still suggests only 2. Also states that Gdansk has increased flights but they’re the same amount as last year 3pw

    https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ryanair-launches-summer-2025-schedule-for-cork-including-new-fuerteventura-route/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I know we'd all like to see large infrastructure projects but Cork is still a very good airport right now. The new scanners and mezzanine upstairs will be good, but again I wish they'd focus on the local ground connectivity as a matter of urgency.

    Another thought I had is that they could maybe try to better integrate the business park with the airport. The restaurant and bar reorientation to airside was the right thing to do but they could try and capture more business-oriented trade from the business park that boosts the airport's offering overall. More space for small food and retail type businesses before security basically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭agoodusername


    I suppose for example, my last flight I paid 120 return with Aer Lingus, was looking at more than double that with KLM. For Dublin it was under 100 but that was into BRU instead which actually would've suited me better. I only used the DUB-AMS route during the pandemic and it cost next to nothing, haven't bothered in a couple of years.

    I'm nearly always flexible about when I fly and Aer Lingus will typically have one extremely cheap flight around the time I need to go, whilst with KLM there's a bit of a floor on what you pay.

    FWIW I've lived in the Netherlands, Belgium and briefly in Germany for the past few years, I'm not a business traveller. CDG is fine for Belgium when it's back which gives me an extra option at the very least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Frostybrew


    Yes, it is one of the better airports in Europe and has consistently won awards. The old Aer Rianta made an excellent decision to completely rebuild Cork Airport in the early 2000s, and it was money very well spent. I think there much frustration, though, with the various political shenanigans that have taken place over the last twenty years; which is well documented in this thread, and in this thread's predecessors.

    Very little progress has been made since the construction of the new terminal. We can only hope that the plans outlined in the media last week are followed through on, and it is not another example of vacuous political grandstanding.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Frostybrew


    This document gives a hint of what the DAA may have in store for the development of the airport, over the next three years. It shows the new pier to the south, and also, a second mini pier to the north. 4 new departure gates are being added, bringing the total number to 12. The new southern pier also looks like it has room for further expansion, with the possibility of up to 5 additional gates, by adding four to the eastern side and one final gate at the southern tip. The new south pier is longer than the existing terminal.

    Screenshot 2025-02-10 at 01.32.07.png

    https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/committee/dail/33/joint_committee_on_transport_and_communications/submissions/2023/2023-11-22_opening-statement-kenny-jacobs-ceo-daa_en.pdf

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


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    Might mean nothing, but I got an email from Aer Lingus recommending flights from Cork to Nice when I was looking at flights from Cork to Bordeaux. Why recommend flights to a destination that they aren't flying to… yet?🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭kub


    Piers 7&8 in that plan have an outline of a larger plane , can I dare and imagine sometime we might end up with an extended runway allowing them to operate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,787 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    Do we really need need more gates in Cork? Never really got the impression they were stuck for space any time I'm up there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Skyscanner isn't showing Nice, but it is showing Dalaman.. That's how I found out Izmir would be announced before it was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    longer runway would be a far better investment imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Frostybrew


    I was wondering what that was about, and thought it might be someone throwing together a quick mock up to show an oireachtas committee at short notice.

    The runway extension is definitely on the DAA's agenda, though does not appear to be as much a priority as the terminal extension. The area to the north of the runway is zoned for runway extension in the 2022 city development plan. Interestingly, the DAA made a submission to the city council when the 2022 plan was being drafted, requesting that a much larger tract of land be zoned for runway extension than was initially envisioned. I'm not sure if the city council took the request on board, as the adopted plan has the smaller area zoned.

    Also notable is the amount of land to the north east of the runway which has been zoned for future airside development.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Frostybrew


    Just from comparing the number of departure gates at other airports, I would say yes. Belfast, with 6 million passengers per annum, has 22. Bristol, with almost 10 million passengers per annum, has 26. Cork is planning for 5 million by 2028 and 7.5 million by 2035; suggesting 20 to 25 departure gates will be required at Cork's terminal in the relatively near future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    I reckon the 7.5 million by 2035 is a little outdated now giving how fast the airport is growing. I remember reading about that in an article from years and years ago about that being the “Ultimate Cork Airport Passenger Goal” or something along those lines. I wouldn’t be surprised if further expansion gets fast-tracked to keep up with passenger demand and that 7.5M goal is reached in the early 2030s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭TheBetsy


    This would have been so much better than extra flights to Lanzarote, Tenerife or Palma etc!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


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    Wow wow wow👏



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    While this is welcome, for sure. There wouldn't really be any need if we could just tap any debit card on the bus, like London. There's no more need for an oyster card.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,487 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    I would think 7.5 million in 10 years is extremely ambitious, given the airport still hasn't even reached its previous high of 3.2million in 2008 (which was 17 years ago!!). 5 million by 2028 even seems extremely ambitious, I can't see any real growth in numbers this year given the loss of AMS from EI. That would give 2 years to almost double the passengers through the airport. How is this going to happen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    2025 passenger numbers are expected to be over 3.3M this year. All the growth is gonna come from S25 and there will be a big decline for W25/26 unless Ryanair add new routes and KLM use larger aircraft.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    KLM will use larger aircraft though it’s just a matter of when. Then the pax numbers will get back on track. The CMO of Ryanair said they’re looking to expand at Cork again soon so I’d expect a fresh wave of routes from them for next summer to help up the passenger numbers as the terminal expands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭Mr.CoolGuy


    Eventually we will run out of islands in the Canaries to fly to and the routes will dry up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,487 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Yes but how do you go from 3.3mil in 2025 to 5million in 2028? A few bucket and spade routes from Ryanair won't do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭lisasimpson


    4 million by 2028 would be a success in my opinion. As well as a ryanair expansion and more year round services they would need to get the likes Iberria back with the Madrid route and get TAP in to serve Lisbon which is a hub that should do well given the demographics we now have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    That's brilliant in fairness. The only catch is that those buses are 30min max frequency and daytime hours. They need to push BÉ and council for longer hours of operation and higher frequency. But not taking from the Airport's effort here, fair play to them for this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Strongly agree here, getting Lisbon and Madrid with TAP and Iberia seem like really good ideas for long-haul and business connectivity. And both are "sun" destinations that can attract holidaying Cork people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭Captainsatnav


    Agreed. Need to start somewhere and this is something to be welcomed.



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