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⚠️ Storm Éowyn - Fri 24.01.25 (**Please read Mod Instruction in OP.**)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,982 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    In a lot of places the forestry grew in and around the wires as they weren’t maintained by the private forestry, is my understanding.
    However there are places outside the forestry areas which were just flattened by the ferocity of the wind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,616 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I haven't been following the thread, and this may have been mentioned before. My brother in Cavan has been told by the ESB that they cannot get a new pole to replace the one destroyed by the storm. He still has no power, and all the neighbours are back since 27 January. It would not be surprising if the supply of poles has run out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,250 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    My brother just got his back today and a few other neighbours just up the road from me. Ours and the start of the lane is back since Tuesday last week. They were waiting on poles for them, so possibly there's a shortage or difficulty getting them distributed because of demand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,207 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    You'd assume with the amount of readily available knocked down trees, that the turnaround time to convert a tree into a pole would be fairly short (appreciate that not all trees make good poles etc)

    I'd think that regular poles aren't that difficult to source but then again who knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,189 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Shhh everyone, Communications minister Darragh O'Brien is on Radio1 about ESBN 2023 €800m profit, trees, storms, €10m's of damage done, future preparation



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,838 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    It would probably take near enough to a year at least. Only a small percentage of trees would be suitable to be made into a utility pole. They have to be transported to one of the few utility pole manufacturers, trimmed, debarked, planed, left season for months, sterilised, pressure treated with preservative, etc. If the poles aren't in stock there's no quick way to make them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭tphase


    you'd assume that converting trees to poles requires power which requires a functioning electricity network which requires poles…et cetera

    I just hope they are sourcing poles from Scandinavian/Northern European forests

    It's not just poles they need to replace - transformers, voltage regulators, insulators, fuses and holders, mounting hardware, stay wires, anchors. They'll have a large stock of the stuff they need, just not enough of it. The guts of half their customers were knocked out by the storm. I would speculate they carry enough hardware to cover max 20% of their customers being affected; their suppliers will only carry a small % of what ESBN typically order ever year so feck knows what the lead times are on getting new stock.

    Anyway, nothing but admiration for the guys on the ground doing the work - I know a couple of them, both retired. One came out of retirement to help out last week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭peterofthebr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭peterofthebr


    Where in cavan is he,? maybe someone can help get a pole there before the esb re-review the storm impact. I've been told they will recheck system once all are back online. They are doing a 'patch' atm...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,707 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    All this talk of resilience for the grid. Will be the NIMBYs be back though when eirgrid want to run new lines and new poles need to be placed in people's land. You bet they will.

    Metal poles should be used in forested areas and on critical lines.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    We've learned in the last two weeks that a National Emergency or Natural Disaster will only ever be declared when it's politically convenient for the government. It didn't suit them this time, and the people of the west and northwest were left to fend for themselves.

    It was scandalous that tens of thousands of pensioners were left for over a week in the cold and the dark and without any state assistance.

    A proper Emergency response would have involved transport and distribution of generators and gas heaters from the South and East to vulnerable people in affected areas. And offering hotel rooms to vulnerable and elderly with no heat.

    It's unfortunately clear that Cromwellian "To Hell or to Connacht" attitudes are still alive and well in Leinster House.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,042 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Met Éireann saying it was an exceptional storm. Records broken at several stations.

    Storm Éowyn broke wind records at multiple locations amid hurricane-force speeds, Met Éireann confirms

    https://www.irishtimes.com/environment/climate-crisis/2025/02/06/storm-eowyn-broke-wind-records-at-multiple-locations-met-eireann-confirms/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 748 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    Dramatic drone footage showing the enormous damage the storm did to forestry in Galway. Entire forests completely flattened!

    I can't imagine they've fully estimated the damages/costs related to this yet.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025/02/05/downed-forestry-impacting-on-storm-eowyn-recovery-as-18000-properties-still-without-power/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,207 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I appreciate there's a manufacturing and supply chain timeline but I'd also wager these poles are ten a penny across the water/on the continent and wouldn't take that long to get in place.

    The last few mornings around rural county Galway I've seen ESB lorrys with multiple fresh poles on them. I don't believe there's an actual shortage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭tiegan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,248 ✭✭✭crusd


    The folks in this house must not have seen natural light in 20 years.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,600 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Sorry quick question for anyone here. Did anyone put in for expenses for food that would of went off during this storm. I have heard some asked but got the "Act of God" response. Surely there is proof that the ESB have not kept pace with tree cutting and updating key and core infrastructure that would of safely seen their infrastructure through these events if they had been proactive in their planning. I mean its not like they are not getting enough money out of customers back pockets in order for them to have been on the ball with this. Anyone heard anything differently



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,749 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    I found some of this interesting to read about how emergency services feel they were/weren't prepared for Storm Éowyn

    https://www.thejournal.ie/irelands-national-resilience-comes-into-sharp-focus-as-storm-eowyn-response-falters-6609484-Feb2025/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Robwindstorm


    I see 4 velux windows on the roof, if that side is facing North and dermot Bannon designed it, the other side of the roof facing south is probably a complete sheet of glass 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Robwindstorm


    Just on my quote above which was made in giddiness, I apologise if I have upset the home owner or anyone in the same situation. I myself live in a very similar home surrounded on one side by mature trees and at 4am of the storm heard a large tree crash down only 30m away. I sure the occupants must have had a terrifying experience during the storm and I'm sorry again if I made light of the situation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Powerless the storm that shuck Ireland is on at 7pm rte 1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 748 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    Very sound of you to say!

    It seems to be a rebuild of an old cottage. First pic from Google Aug 2009, second pic May 2024. Doesn't seem too bad in summer, light wise, but certainly not ideal.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Watching it now.

    It's not just statistics, numbers, it's faces. Human beings. Families. Many of the people who need power, it's not just for their job, it's to power their life dialysis machines. The wheelchairs that give folks with disabilities their independence. That poor woman whose house was destroyed, and then has to take her special needs daughter to the palliative care unit of the hospital. That's a very stressful situation for someone who's getting end of life treatment, for a child, especially a child with special needs, that's even more stressful.

    On the news this evening, they showed one woman who's daughter needs a Cpap machine, as she has sleep apnea and a heart condition. Still no idea when she'll have power.

    You can still feel the anger, everywhere. I absolutely pity the ESB workers, who are doing everything they can to restore power. You just know that they are getting verbal abuse, either in person, or via the phone.

    I remember when Darwin happened, my mother made a point of phoning up the ESB phoneline and thanking the person at the other end of the phone. They appreciated it, and even told her they don't get many calls like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,308 ✭✭✭Kutebride


    @Robwindstorm have you power this evening. Believe an outage in Trim direction tonight?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Oh absolutely 💯 there is still alot of anger but the workers are doing over time at this rate and it says alot if workers from 6 countries had to help as well , sadly 13 days on and 10,000 people are still without power and now after this the esb are saying electric prices may go up after the storm , I ain't surprised but can't see that going down well with the general public



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Robwindstorm


    Yes I have power, I'm closer to kells. My brother and 4 other houses beside him were just connected on Tuesday. Have you no power?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    However, a CPAP machine only uses 500w in an entire night and battery devices are readily available. If you really needed such machine then it would make complete sense to have such a battery. Some people have such machines but it is not a life or death issue (I have one), they need not worry, but if it is life or death then relying on the grid alone is hazardous.

    Likewise there was a family on the news who were living in an hotel, who said that they were using solar and heat pump and were "entirely dependent on electricity", but if they had invested in a battery then the solar would have kept the fridge etc going, even if it might not have been sufficient to power the heat pump at full blast. Perhaps the SEAI grants should require battery storage with solar?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    You don't get a battery device 'on time'. You buy a battery device or a battery UPS from the begining (if it is life or death) and make sure that it is fully charged before the storm.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,931 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Its not as simple as just getting a battery and solar, you need a very specific type of system that adds more expense and complexity to also then work during power outages, very few solar installers will even quote you for such a system.

    Also seai removed the battery grant at the end of 2023, you only get a grant for the panels now.



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