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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,416 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    That is a very very unlikely scenario.

    What it does do, and I believe this is the intention, is it gives Israel blessing to do whatever they wish with Gaza (and the west bank) as long as a "ceasefire" remains in place.

    It makes all those who wanted trump as opposed to Biden for Palestinians/Arabs look extremely foolish, but, as we have seen already, they will brass-neck their way through and learn nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,629 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    It could very well be a smokescreen.

    Its a ludicrous plan and not plausible or in any way viable.

    Whats the real agenda or angle is the question.

    Theres been a ridiculous amount of nonsense from Trump in the last month or so, Canada becoming the 51st state, Invading Greenland and Panama. All of those are just bluster and negotiating tools.

    With this Im not sure what his true intentions are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Not Sure it will happen given it's a Bill whereas we've seen real action come from Executive Orders in the last few weeks.

    But what is the point? Deregulation allows for lower costs and profit optimization. And it is another indication of the demanding of Givernment influence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    You refusal to clarify you opposition to his plan, tells us everything we need to know.

    Less of playing the victim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,982 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Someone suggested a real estate deal to the property developer who is now US president.

    It's not 4D chess.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    In Trumps mind , everything is for Sale and everything has a price, because he has no morals or genuine human emotion so the idea for him that loyalty or love or patriotism (or indeed anything) would come before profit is utterly anathema to him.

    He simply can't understand why someone would turn down a "good deal" because they value something other than money , because he doesn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,333 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Hard to imagine the ceasefire remaining in place as long as Israel plays with the Palestinians like a cat teasing a mouse - I never understood some US based Palestinians promoting Trump but they did-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Exactly - No oversight , no penalties, no annoying costs like paying for safety features or supervision.

    No annoying things like Workers comp or Insurance.

    Looking to remove OSHA is there alongside gutting the independence of organizations like the CDC , FCC , FDA , FAA etc.

    Less oversight , less cost and a free hand for the Oligarchs to do whatever they want to whomever they want in pursuit of profits for themselves and their cronies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,416 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It will be very hard for Palestinians/Hamas to declare an end to the ceasefire if Israel don't reciprocate and continue doing everything low key instead. Lots of defensive measures and patrolling/guard duty/peacekeeping for the IDF.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,817 ✭✭✭✭banie01




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 240 ✭✭Seattle


    Trump really is dumb.

    The best chance of achieving this policy goal (if it is even achievable) is to do it by stealth and over time. He's saying the quiet part out loud. You don't do it because it gets everyone's backs up

    It might just have been doable if he lied and said they just needed to leave while reconstruction was taking place (with no intention of ever allowing them to return).

    It speaks to Trump's sense of power, authority and stupidity that he can be so direct. It's quite frightening. We're in a WWF Attitude era of US government, only this time it's real and not scripted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo


    would cars be much cheaper to make without pesky air bags and seat belts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Yes yes that one 😂

    Watch all the lefties here (and Mickey D) on subforum do a complete 180 with their stance on defence spending the moment the trump circus lays claims on this green land



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,712 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Spare us the victimhood nonsense, thanks. You're on a discussion forum where people are, merely, going to be asking your opinions, honest opinions, on matters…ya know IMHO and all that. Frankly, you have been very shifty in your responses, which is why people are side eyeing them.

    You're in favour of a 2 state solution, which will find agreement with most here. How do you think that will come about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,331 ✭✭✭Field east


    re Trumps idea that Jordan and Egypt should take them in. Why did Trump name these countries only? There are other Islamic countries that could take some in eg Iran, Iraq, Oman ,Somalia, Saudi Arabia , UAE, Syria, Lebanon, Qatar, Bahrain, etc !!!!!!!
    AND WHAT ABOUT THE US taking in at least a plane load ! . If asked Saudi Arabia , for example, might provide the transport , free of charge to fly them to the US if asked.
    But, apart from religious differences and some of the beliefs are at war with eachother, most of us know why most of the above countries - and especially the US - would not touch the Palestinians with the proverbial %’ barge pole’

    Reminds me of The UK shipping illegals to Rawanda and Trump shipping criminals/illegals- in his eyes- to Guantamino Bay



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    But do you accept that by saying it , he almost guarantees that Hamas (and others) will react badly - blowing up the peace treaty and giving Netanyahu and his band of genocidal maniacs exactly the excuse they needed to "finish the job" and for them to get to use those shiny 2000lbs bombs that Trump just sent them??

    And then maybe Iran decides to actively assist Hamas thereby giving Trump the excuse to carpet bomb Tehran as he has always wanted.

    Whether or not Trump gets to create a new "Riviera" or not is not the point - It's what his hateful nonsense begets.

    Either way , every Palestinian in Gaza either dies in a bombing or ends up in internment camps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,333 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I reckon we’re looking at years of Palestinians living in tents on a bomb site.

    What I will be watching for is China entering the scene or more like secret talks behind the scenes - Interesting analysis article below on where China stands on the Middle East and the interdependencies - funding the redevelopment of a country is right up their street and they have a track record of doing this already throughout the world - they are really the only country with the money needed to fund such a venture - I don’t see them missing an opportunity like this and they will of course want to out-do America - it might be the antithesis of Trumps offer and practically unworkable also-but Trumps “offer” can’t just sit there - it needs an alternative to counteract it


    https://www.brookings.edu/articles/forecasting-chinas-strategy-in-the-middle-east-over-the-next-four-years/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    It’s highly unlikely Trumps long term plan Gaza is for an American owned riviera. He wants to take it over and clear out the Palestinians then hand it over to Israel.

    What is the future of Gaza if they stay, another hundred years of Palestinians killing a few Israelis and Israel retaliating killing hundreds of Palestinians. It’s a 20 mile strip out on its own away from their kin in West Bank. With the West Bank itself slowly begin annexed by Israel with the world seemingly unable to stop it. Pragmatically what is the solution. I can’t see one. It’s a travesty it has come to this but with the might of America behind them Isreal have been literally getting away with murder. And now maybe even genocide.

    What future are they offering the Palestinians? Being permanent refugees in Jordan or Egypt would be a disaster. I wish the Palestinians had a bright future because they have been living a miserable one for decades now.

    Is there habitable land available nearby, larger than what they currently have. A new homeland called Palestine, with money pumped in to help them build, particularly American and Israeli money. Or just go back to more of the same as Israel slowly takes more and more of their land pushing them into ever smaller enclaves while treating them like an imprisoned people.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    You can already see the stupidity of what they are doing.

    On the one hand you have Trump threatening Tariffs on Europe because we don't buy enough American cars but at the same time doing things like rolling back the fuel economy mandates and probably safety regulations further decreasing the already remote likelihood that anyone in Europe would want to buy a 5 tonne death-trap that gets 5 miles to the Gallon…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,765 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Not really, as this time around Trump 2.0 is a different beast to his first term.

    In his first presidency he had people around who were actually capable and would challenge him, even Mike Pence, a yes man, ultimately said he would not destroy US democracy for him to steal the electoin.

    Now Trump is better prepared, has appointed people like Hegseth, Rubio, RFK & Musk to do everything he wants and never challenge him and this makes him and his regime more dangerous.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    He also had lots of career civil servants that slowed or blocked a lot of his baser instincts by requiring him to follow the law.

    They are all being fired right now with their roles either completely removed or simply replaced by a compliant political appointee.

    All of the structural systemic brakes on his "desires" are being removed , rapidly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Theres been a ridiculous amount of nonsense from Trump in the last month or so, Canada becoming the 51st state, Invading Greenland and Panama. All of those are just bluster and negotiating tools.

    There's been a ridiculous amount of nonsense from Trump since he came down the escalator in Trump Tower 9 years ago.

    Most of us on here called him out on that. Some people still advocated that he become President 3 months ago. You in particular.

    We're not surprised with anything that is happening, we're very frustrated that we've proven so right so quickly. How do you feel now knowing this is what you called for?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,333 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “But do you accept that by saying it , he almost guarantees that Hamas (and others) will react badly - blowing up the peace treaty and giving Netanyahu and his band of genocidal maniacs exactly the excuse they needed to "finish the job" and for them to get to use those shiny 2000lbs bombs that Trump just sent them??”

    You’ve jumped ahead a bit but certainly it’s a possibility.

    What I know of Trump is that he has a very old fashioned approach to negotiation - outrageous demands don’t often feature in modern negotiations or diplomacy - they were a feature years ago -interests based negotiation is the standard approach - but he’s gone this route and we’ve seen the reaction- I’m now interested in the response, especially from the likes of the EU.

    I don’t see a way forward for Gaza to be rebuilt shortterm as simply it’s obvious Israel don’t want that - well not with Palestinians there anyway. Israel is already bombing the West Bank- is this Gaza part 2? I wouldn’t bet money against it . With or without Trump, Israel does not want the 2 state solution - I only see more war ahead - even if Trump counter offered every Palestinian a home in a rebuilt Gaza, it wouldn’t be acceptable that essentially the USA “owned” it . But who does rebuild Gaza and with what money? And what conditions?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,659 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    He is doing EXACTLY what we all said he would, albeit with some of his extra "showmanship" thrown in.

    But fundamentally when you strip back all the bollocks and hype , he is doing exactly what we said he would.

    He is dismantling the Federal government , he is removing ALL of the controls and limits on naked Corporate greed and avarice.

    He is facilitating the take-over of the daily functions of peoples lives by right-wing religious zealots who fervently want to create a whites only Christian Nationalist state.

    And they are doing it in public , live on TV and no one is saying or doing a thing to stop them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,765 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Yes, and his pardoning of 1600+ criminals has given him access to an armed militia who support him (sound familiar to someone else?). Let 's see what happens when he's blocked or impeached or if he doesn't want to leave at end of next term or next ticket of Vance/Trump Jr don't win next election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 388 ✭✭StoutPost


    My post was about Gaza. I am all for the EU growing a set and sticking it's finger in trumps eye over anything to do with us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Well, we're still waiting for him to end the war in Ukraine on day one. And we're still waiting for his 2016 healthcare plan. And we're still waiting for him to reduce the price of Groceries so no, I wouldn't say he's doing exactly what he said he would do.

    What he's doing in fact is what he said he knew nothing about and that being the Project 2025 handbook. All the raping of Government institutes is straight of that manifesto but of course he said he didn't have anything to do with that. @MrAnarchy and @Snake Plisken and a few more said the same.

    And here we are. 16 days in to a 4yr term that is going to have very few good days for any of us interested in the greater good.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,646 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Not sure of his agenda? Haven't read Project 2025 have you. It's pretty much spelled out there.



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