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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,233 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Lavrov writes about the possibility of a multi polar world where small states have a say.

    The principle of states’ sovereign equality laid the foundation for the Yalta-Potsdam system: none may claim dominance, as all are formally equal regardless of territory, population, military capabilities, or other metrics.

    Ukraine gets one mention where it is lumped in with Libya etc and the current state of Ukraine blamed on the US. Interesting nonetheless to be speaking in such terms, perhaps there's a reason. ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,776 ✭✭✭Homelander


    If you're hitting the point that you're arguing that propaganda about mythical fighter pilots, Russians scrapping washing machines for chips or "grandads shooting down jets" is on the same level as propaganda that Ukraine was committing genocide in the Donbass, the overthrow of Yanokhovch was a NATO-backed plot, the Ukrainian Government is led by Nazis and Russia is fighting all of NATO……you're not scraping the barrel, you're broken through and are scratching in the dirt underneath the barrel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,281 ✭✭✭brickster69


    According to his answer last night to reporters questions it looks like Trump is after securing his countries loans with Ukraine's rare earth materials and other resources or assets.

    Also calling for more money from the Europeans to be given.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,776 ✭✭✭Homelander


    That would seem to me like probably something that Ukraine would welcome given it shows that Trump is not ruling out ongoing support in a very public manner.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    That’s great

    Trumpie will have to pay to liberate those minerals from areas of Donbas that the Russian Nazis have occupied

    Welcome back btw, looking forward to status updates from TASS



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Most of those Russians who surrender think that its either NATO or Ukrainian Nazi's they are fighting. or else they haven't a clue why they are there…they are told that they are going to a support battalion, not the front lines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Giving Russia's historical treatment of small states, that does not bode well for the "small States" or even some bigger ones. In fact, any state that Russia can defeat mili.arily or infiltrate its government is fair game for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,833 ✭✭✭Enduro


    That was my first thought as well. Most of Ukraine's natural resources are in the Donbas region. If Trump thinks he can do a deal with Ukraine for those resources, then Ukraine needs to control them. So, it will be in Trump's interest to enable Ukraine to get control of those resources. That would be really good news, especially since it is appealing to Trump's (very dominant) transactional tendencies. It's not surprising that the Tankies and Vatniks are in denial about this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    All the "Friends of russia" are out today it seems.🙄



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,089 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I'm not interested in the opinions of people who don't differentiate between right and wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    They are absolutely pooping bricks (heh pun) about it

    Russia “noez we stole that land fair and square! Precious belongs to us, says it right here in this updated constitution of ours!”

    Anyways smart move by Ukraine, Trump is highly transactional and those minerals are lost at this time

    This is no different to billions in aid lent against Russian seized assets, except now there be more lent against assets Russia stolen, brilliant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭jmreire


    So now, it seems that Trump is not the flavour of the month in the Kremlin…that's going to put the fox in the hen house BIGGLY…🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Mafia style do both! Deny they are behind it but at the same time boast about it. Example when they poisoned Litvinenko it was all denials but the radioactive poison was of a type that would have come from Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    That might work very well in terms of keeping Trump's attention and support. In his first term, some of his advisers were able to keep support for some of their Syrian Kurdish allies by framing it as keeping control of certain oil fields.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,333 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    The start of the UN charter (1st article) reads:

    http://un.org/en/about-us/un-charter/full-text

    The Purposes of the United Nations are:

    To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;

    To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

    To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and

    To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.

    Has Russia been upholding any of this of late? (well…no). Is Lavrov the man to be waxing lyrical about the benefits of the UN Charter, should anyone listen to him or pay attention? (no again!) It's like an old lecherous goat talking about benefits of a vow of chastity or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭zv2


    The loot map

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    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    It's a very strange article. Almost as if he's lost the capacity for self awareness but maybe there's something in it I'm missing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Don't fall for the orc propaganda.

    It took the ruzzians a year to take Bakhmut. It took them another year to take Avdiivka. They sustained hundreds of thousands of casualties to take very minor towns in Ukraine with irreplaceable losses to tanks, artillery and armoured vehicles.

    We're now at the stage of the orcs launching meat assaults in Lada's at the Ukrainian lines and been totally and utterly mullered by devastating counter attacks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Each time putler issues a decree ordering a city to be taken it results in catastrophic losses for the ruzzians. We've already seen that the orcs are running on fumes. There are no more modern tanks or armoured vehicles in reserve, fuel supply is likely going to be constricted soon with so many refineries destroyed, the trained army to conduct an assault just doesn't exist.

    I nearly hope the orcs do try to take on such a task because it's likely that attempting to take Pokrovsk will break them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭threeball


    You've really jumped the shark this time Igor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,622 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,333 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Russia invades and bombs Ukraine, murders lots of people, destroys lots of stuff, forces refugees abroad and Ukraine into mobilisation for war, ruins Ukraine's economy, forces a dependence (military and economic) on allies to survive as a nation.

    Years of posting wordy lectures here, not a squeak of criticism towards Russia or Putin from @Sand
    I can recall. No mentions of state of media landscape (Kremlin blasted desert waste) in Russia either, and until last few years, they had no poor excuses of war time for that.


    Now he nods, wags his finger about corrupt media in Ukraine depending on external funding + this shows a malign influence of the US & EU over the country, twisting their news into "propaganda" etc. etc. etc. 🤔 Sand is a propagandist himself of course (for evil).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    With todays insane news

    Has anyone pointed out to Trump yet that there is prime sea side resort property available in Crimea and shores of Azov to liberate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    It's scary what he is saying, literally saying ethnic cleansing of an area. Putin could literally say to Trump, here look we have all these recent mineral deposits we have found in eastern Ukraine under our protection, would America like to help us dig them up and keep some of them. Just maybe don't support Ukraine in the process that's all we ask. Putin is a scumbag and Trump is as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,687 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I'm suprised that jangling keys infront of Donnie (in this case the potential for cash) has worked to this extent. If Zelenski & Co. are sly enough about this, they needn't give anything much to Donnie to get him to keep at very least the status quo going.

    That's essentially what might end up killing the Russian war effort. I suspect they've been throwing everything they've got at this in the hope that once Donnie was in the White House that he'd essentially gift them Ukraine. But that hasn't happened yet, and there's now even talk of keeping Donnie onside with Kiev with the promise of minerals.

    Whatever steam the Kremlin had left to keep them going to today might not last all that much longer if the Finish Line they thought was coming soon, evaporates before their eyes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I said it earlier in thread but keeping a lid on Russian oil exports indefinitely suits Donnie’s agenda of making sure US and his Saudi buddies get the largest slices of the global oil pie

    And that’s before we get to minerals or sea side resorts

    Not the first time either both countries have crashed Russian economy either

    Perhaps the smarter Russians will revolt against the CIA installed puppet in Kremlin who is destroying their country and killing their men so global oligarchs make billions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    It could work and I hope it does. I hope when Trump meets Putin he spells all this out to him. Just wouldn't surprise me that Trump and Putin come out with construction hats on and say we have signed an agreement that we're going to dig up all these new minerals that Russia has recently acquired and we're going to split it 50/50 between us and Russia and all we have to do is not support Ukraine with anything from us which we save money on as there not repaying us and we get 50% of this new mineral wealth and we help Russia rebuild their oil refineries. A triple win for us Americans.

    I would honestly see what way the wind is blowing with America with Trump in charge for Ukraine. I wouldn't put anything pass him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Hey, look at you… coming back here with great news for Ukraine - Funding guaranteed from US and all the more reason for the US to give Ukraine the means to push the Russians (is it possible to start feeling sorry for them 😂) out of temporarily occupied Ukraine.

    If anyone accuses you again of never posting pro-Ukraine stories, just point them to this post you made 👏



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Trump is pretty transparent.

    He's not against supporting Ukraine, but he's against the USA paying the lion's share while Europe won't step up. He's 100% justified on that.

    If we interpret his "equal share" comment as meaning 50%/50% between the US and Europe, then that's still a very generous offer. They do have an ocean in between, and we don't.

    Putin has repeatedly stated his aim to seize further territories in Europe, I don't believe he has that ambition in the Americas.

    If Europe "step up" and the US reaffirms their continued support as equal partners - then Putin will go looking for an off-ramp.



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