Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

I can only see it as an option if you own a house of course, which is the problem in the first place! So it's just home owners screwing renters, basically

Yeah that's what I am talking about. Obviously only do - able under certain scenarios...

Nah, they can't do **** about about a twenty five metre structure, you're allowed build it. You're not meant to live in it... what are they going to do, put a guard on duty in the garden ? Lol... they'll do nothing, because it's unenforceable...

These well done garden rooms, are the last word in luxury, compared to many of the absolute dumps I visit as part of my job, many in period buildings in Dublin, where the living situation is a total disgrace...

If that's the only response to the multiple issues with your idea then there's no point in having a discussion about it.

No it's one response , if its an option for people. If I had done it when I was far younger, life would have been a lot easier... Option two emigrate. Option 3 , emigrate short term, earn a lot more money than you will here and return to buy...

There's loads of options... declare as homeless and let the state house you for free, the best option, if you're prepared for some short term pain...

We can agree to differ on calling these glorified sheds... a shed is something you buy for e400 to store your mower and tools in. The timber for shed walls, is paper thin.

These structures are built using the Same materials as you would for your definition of a " standard " house. Of course it's not ideal long term, if you want a family. But saving a fortune being robbed on rent, puts you in the position to actually buy something longer term. Without enriching others, dealing with landlords and their BS, house shares etc... jesus, the notion of going back to that for anyone I know. Would be beyond comprehension...

Yeah with that apartment " shed" I think after 7 years, the structure becomes legal. I am not one hundred percent on that though..

You need planning if it is being used as a dwelling regardless of the size.

My folks are self employed, so 55% income tax over over 100k… So the Dublin property sits empty… You want penal taxation, deal with the consequence's. In my area of Dublin, houses empty , sitting there for years, no one in them… Or four / five bed houses occupied by one person. Its why other countries, employ these magical things, called property taxes, but meaninnfgul ones, not our token gestrure one. Many homes less than the tv licences and lower than motor tax… LOL!

My bad, apologies I totally misinterpreted that.

Might be an option for some, but doubtful for many. Legality, cost, space, more than one adult child in the home place...it could be of merit to an individual case, but it's definitely not solving the crisis anyway. In my opinion, living in a garden room anyway would still count as living at home even if its more bearable for child and parents alike.

I wouldnt say its a bailout. The govt are paying market rates for properties on the private market because the govt wont build their own social housing.

The squeezed middle pay the price, as usual; they dont qualify for the social houses but cant afford the few new builds on the private market that are left over, once the govt has finished ravaging the new housing stock and converting it to social homes.

The councils and charities should be forced to have targets for affordable housing and cost rentals, so that those on average incomes can be housed, not just those on no/low incomes.

If a council/charity buys a block of 100 apartments. 33 go to social housing, 33 go to cost rental and 33 go to affordable housing.

Priority for cost rental and afforable goes to key workers, like teachers, nurses, builders and so forth.

Location, Location, Location.

Apartments in nice parts of Dublin will still sell for a high price. Plenty of apartments in DLR that will sell for over 500k and some apartments well over 1 million.

Regardless of the price, I would still like to see the govt reducing its acquisition of private property and reverting to building its own stock.

Then ensuring that tax payer funded housing stock is available for cost rental and affordable housing, as well as social housing.

If you live with your parents your housing costs will be quite low - likewise if you are renting in an overcrowded house (the extent of overcrowding in some Dublin rentals is shocking).

If Irish housing costs truly were below the European average then you would assume our % of under 30s living at home with parents would be lower than European average: instead it's one of the highest.

We also got it through a legal challenge so its not opinion its fact and once you met the criteria of space left after the build and your build with existing extensions cant exceeda certain square meter not sure if its 25/40 this we did this a good few years back now and there must be a definitive emergency exit to the side of the house oh and it cant be more than 3 meters in height. As I say you can build what you like and call it an office space/garage/gym room/cinema but what you actually do with it after it is is your call they are not checking it. Sure even your link states this clearly read it again

https://buildtech.ie/blog/what-can-i-build-without-planning-permission

So do you accept you can build a dwelling in your garden without planning? yes you can and are you telling me if a family decided to put a bed out in that room for someone to sleep in that the authorities would come over and knock it down can you show me one case where this has happened? We did go legal with it now we didn't say we were going to use it for extra living space we put a gym into it but what your not getting is when the dwelling is built you can do what you want with it the authorities are not going to be knocking at the door to knock it down.

This has been done before - much of Europe has apartments as a large share of housing stock, and Eurostar over/under occupation methodology is flawed. Having a separate kitchen and dining room, or living room and kitchen/diner counts as extra rooms which determines whether house is under/over occupied.

A 2bed house with separate kitchen/diner and living room would not be over occupied even with 4 people living in it.

A 2bed apartment with one large kitchen/diner/living space would be over occupied with the same 4 people living in it.

Open plan living makes the same floorspace home seem over occupied

Am literally in shock at how the property market is going at the moment.

West of Ireland, a 4 bed semi I sold back in 2015, has just gone on the market. Took me 9 months to sell at the time. It got an offer immediately of 200k more than I sold for. House was full of problems. The price being paid for a poor property is scary. Are we getting to that period again??