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Local Roads - New Speed Limits

  • 29-01-2025 12:38PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭


    So starting from February 7th, most local roads in Ireland will see the speed limit reduced from 80kmph to 60kmph. There are a few exemptions where certain criteria are met but in general the vast majority of L roads will see a reduction.

    The thing that I don't get is, there seems to be a complete lack of awareness that this change is being made and being made in the next 2 weeks. Anyone I have spoken to about it is completely unaware of the change. There seems to be absolutely no awareness campaign and very little news reporting of the change.

    Given it is one of the more, if not the most, significant change to our speed limits since the miles to kilometres changeover, I can't quite understand how it isn't being discussed more. Even here on boards, I have seen very little about it.

    I am assuming the government probably don't want to be associated with the change and will likely blame it on the previous administration, specifically the Greens, and it is also being forced on the councils so they don't have any major stake in it.

    PS: I'm hoping to avoid the attack on rural Ireland/wont be enforced anyway/speeding ticket cash grab comments that usually come up with this sort of thing, but i thought it deserved a thread anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I think that the speed limits will be accompanied by signage at which point they will be official.

    So for instance near me, my local authority has recently published maps of exactly what speed limits will apply where, and has published maps of exactly where all the new signs will be placed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,412 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    I think the reason it hasn’t got much attention is that it’s been very hard for the usual anger-merchants to generate much opposition to it. L-roads are what most of the houses in “Rural Ireland” open out onto, and people I know in the country are not at all happy the speed of traffic outside their homes.

    This legislation also helps fix a lot of dangerous rat-runs on the edges of cities, where back-roads are still 80 by default, but a safer main road is 60.

    If you want to see what’s being done in your area, the speedlimits.ie site has a list of all proposed and adopted changes. Be sure to include closed consultations and sort by date to see only the latest changes.

    Adopted-Current Bye-laws | speedlimits.ie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,918 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I've seen some new speed limit signs in place already.

    Local newspapers are carrying half page ads this week.

    They give the link to this website -

    gov.ie - Slower Speeds, Safer Roads

    https://search.app/NZVBoG8uNszQTEjA7



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Tippman24


    Waited until the election was over before introducing them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,262 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Are Regional roads (R xxx) staying at 80 kph?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭Limerick74




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭cantalach


    The February introduction was announced in October, well before the election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭cornholio509


    I am with you guys as far as road safety goes . I thought lower speed limits would help . However when i look at the root cause and the downsides to this i can help but thing there is an agenda other than road safety .

    Looking at it economically its going to cost consumers 217 million a year . So food , clothing and power generation costs are going to rise . THis is going to cost more and more as Co2 will rise meaning more emissions taxes . The only benefit i can see out of this is for government funding .

    Instead of doing the obvious thing we punish people . Lets change the licensing to driver based experience rather than planned route test . Its amazing we teach people how to drive at slow speed in towns but we dont teach them how to drive on national highways and rural roads . We dont teach people what to do in bad weather . WHat we are currently doing is teaching people to pass a test not teaching them how to drive .

    On the flip side we have a policing problem . People who drink drive will do it anyways speed vans wont catch them . Speed freaks dont care because they know where the local speed van parks . people still mess with smarts phones while driving . Unlicenced and uninsured drivers will still drive because speed vans dont catch them . As long as there is no chance of getting caught and stopped by anyone a fine in the post doesn't means anything to them . Get rid of speeds van and get the guardai back policing speed limits . Nothing is more intimidating then the sudden appearance of a squad car in a random place . That will get people to behave on the road .

    I am all for road safety . That said there are too many downsides for any of this to make any sense . Its not only the drivers that are going to suffer . The costs will trickle down to you and me . Yet the answer to our problem is just policing the roads .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,377 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    This is entirely the wrong direction. Good driving is driving according to conditions and these vary every 50m on traditional road. This is sending the message that there is a single speed appropriate for an entire class of roads and this will surely reinforce the idea that the speed limit is an appropriate speed to drive at when in reality on some sections of these roads you should do 50kmh, while other sections are fine for 65kmh.

    If there is some minor road in Fermanagh with a 60Mph limit and someone drives into Monaghan with 60Kph limit are people going to change their speed or will there actually be a different rate of accidents? At present, road fatalities in NI are slightly lower with a universal 60mph limit, despite the exit 80Kmh limit in the 26 counties. A responsible person will drive according to the conditions, an irresponsible one will not be influenced by a sign since there will be little enforcement. This is a displacement activity to pretend to do something, to avoid actually doing something useful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭Consonata


    You likely should set the limit at the maximum safest for a stretch of road, so if anything this would indicate that it should be lower.

    A responsible person will drive according to the conditions, an irresponsible one will not be influenced by a sign since there will be little enforcement. This is a displacement activity to pretend to do something, to avoid actually doing something useful.

    There are lots of irresponsible drivers however. You have to legislate for the least responsible so the rest of us are safe. If everyone was perfect at driving there would be nil need for speed limits. However that isnt the case, thus the need for them to exist.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,093 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Where have you been? There has been plenty of local news on it around here. The new speed signs have been erected for ages. Anybody living on, or using, these roads are well aware a change in coming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭gooseman12


    I think you may have misread my post. I'm well aware of the change and all that it entails.

    If you read my post, I spoke about what I perceived to be a lack of general awareness regarding the change.

    I highlighted that anyone I spoke to was completely unaware it was coming and there was very little in the way of advertising or promotion, at least from what I saw.

    I have not seen anything in local newspapers, as other posters have mentioned, or any signage changes in my locality.

    Really, I just surprised there hasn't been far more uproar about the whole thing, but maybe there is just a general acceptance and everyone is ok about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭lucalux


    I heard about this being proposed last year but I hadn't noticed that they'd passed it

    Seems like there's conflicting information online when I searched about it though.

    For example this citizens info page (along with other Google results) stating that all regional and local roads will be going from 80 to 60

    Also an article saying that a national road in my county will be exempted, the N5?

    I thought initially when I read the OP it was just L roads

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭combat14


    there is absolute uproar from any one who has heard of this green agenda change

    all drivers are being tarred with the same brush

    in reality as other posters have said speeders will continue to speed

    there will be an increase in over taking, more collisions, road rage and increased speeding on any road without speed cameras to make up time making driving even more dangerous out there

    all.to satisfy the green party lower emissions agenda - and the irish people didnt vote for them last time out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Pale Red


    The R147 (the old N3 from Clonee to Navan) went from 100 to 80 went the M3 opened - I thought it strange to reduce the limit when traffic volumes decrease. If this R road now goes to 60 it will make you think you're walking. Is this an effort of moving toll avoiders on to toll roads as I'm sure many N roads were reclassified to R when motorways opened parallel to them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭cornholio509


    As i said earlier this has another agenda bar road safety . Its costing 8 million to to change the signs . The slower speed are set to increase the cost to consumers by 217million per year . Accidents have risen and so have pedestrian fatalities in places where this has been introduced . C02 emission will double from road users spending more time on the road at speeds where cars are just not efficient . More public transport will also be needed to keep time schedules . Hauliers are gonna raise pricing because they need to hire more personnel . According to studies where speed limits have been reduced its a huge snowball effect on the economy .

    3.3 million cars on the road . 10000 serious accidents of which 175 resulted in fatalities .so less than 1% of drivers the cause the most impact when it comes to serious issues . The problem is the roads aren't policed . Everything can magically be stopped by the speed van or so they think .

    Anyone claiming that this will increase road safety needs to read the studies the greens and the rest of government thrown out in favour of their own cherry picked results . Legislation for a minority always hurts the majority of people . Meanwhile our government hotshots can break the speed limits all they want as long as is for government business .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,918 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You won't be fined for exceeding the new limit if the new signs are not in place.

    I heard ads on RTE radio today and I expect there will be more publicity on the 7th



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭cornholio509


    The speed limit will be in place on february 7th . No one has an excuse if the new signs are not up . That is the governments stance and all statements they have made point to that . SO yes you will get fined .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,918 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I haven't seen any statements by government that enforcement will start from Feb 7th on roads without signs indicating the new limit.

    Subject to correction of course, I may have missed them.

    I'll be watching my step anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,160 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Maybe they should rise them all to 120 and unlimited on the motorways..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Pale Red


    Given the stance of some District Justices I would imagine a person adhering to posted speed limits would not be fined in Court. That is not to say that the Gardaí will not issue fixed penalty notices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭cornholio509


    You wont get fine's because a speed limit sign isnt changed is wishful thinking . BY all means if you want to test it let me know the result . I for one will be taken matters up with local TD's and fight this tooth and nail . I dont fancy spending 6hrs a day driving just to work 8 hrs . It wont be worth my while working at that point .

    Minister for Justice Jim O’Callaghan said:

    “I am delighted to support the launch of the Slower Speeds, Safer Roads information and awareness campaign, and indeed the lower speed limits being introduced. Successful road safety strategies require us to consider a number of matters that together can save lives: technology, road design, driver behaviour and education, severity of penalties, and speed limits. And of course, ongoing enforcement is a very important aspect of the Road Safety Strategy, be that by Gardaí themselves, mobile, static, and average speed cameras or other technology being deployed”.

    Basically you have been warned .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,591 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    Given that local authorities can decide if certain local road will still maintain a 80kph limit, how are you expecting motorists to know which local roads still have a 80kph limit and which ones just haven’t had their sign changed yet?

    I think your stance is quite frankly ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    A serious number of drivers fail to abide by the limits set on our roads now.

    Only a fool would believe that these drivers will accept lower limits on any of our roads.

    Do any of the people who make these decisions drive our roads with any frequency.

    Hopeless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Fieldsman


    Instead of putting up new road signs would it make more sense to cut the shrubs and other foliage from blocking the view of existing signs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,918 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Thanks for the warning but rest assured, I won't be taking any chances.

    I have a clean licence and I want to keep it that way.

    If passing from one limit zone to another one isn't marked I'll default to the lower speed limit on all country roads whenever I have to drive on them.

    If a lot of people do this it will be even worse news for you on your commute.

    On the bright side while Mr. O'Callaghan seems to mean business he doesn't mention signage so maybe there is hope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,918 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I don't think it's either/or.

    They should put up the signs and cut back any growth obscuring all signs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭combat14


    50km to 30km per hour a 40% reduction is a big drop in road speed more than the 25% drop touted

    if everyone deliberately drives 10km lower than the new speed limits this will cause enough chaos to get the new limits rescinded like other countries

    the real speeders wont give a toss about the new limits anyway as they mostly arent policed as is

    can see taxi fares also jumping for vulnerable users on top of everything else as journey times will now be significantly stretched

    on the plus side fuel will prob cost less as most people will donkey and cart transport more convenient by the time the greens are done

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭blackcard


    R denotes a Regional road. The speed limits on these roads aren't being changed. Only L roads, Local roads



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭gipi


    That's what I thought - until I saw the new signs on the R166 (Drogheda to Clogherhead) yesterday. It's changing from 80 to 60.



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