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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    He is from Wicklow but went to Blackrock, much like Leo Cullen and many others.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,980 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Great Irish selection, delighted with the mix of experience and exuberance.

    I'm more confident tonight than I was two days ago



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The potential red card was far more to do with exuberance and a bit of stupidity though. Probably trying to lay down a marker.

    He goes high too much for my liking, he should just focus on taking his man down. But while it is not his strong point, I have seen in many places that it is dangerous for him to play and that is obviously absurd. I have seen him make plenty of good tackles, his tackle selection still needs work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    11 to 15 were also generally leinster players then too, maybe with one of andrew trimble or geordan murphy coming in somewhere in the back three. there would generally only be one or two munster players on the bench, so yes it was a munster dominated 22 for the bigger games but it wasnt to the same proportion that it is now. the only wider squad i can find from 2006 is from the tour to nz and again, while that is munster dominant, it is not to the same level as leinster are dominating recent squads



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Geordan Murphy, Tommy Bowe, andrew Trimble were knocking about.

    Grand slam v Wales in 2009 there was 5 leinster players in the 22. 11 from Munster. 5 from Ulster and Geordan Murphy. Pretty much the theme of that year's 6n selections.

    Not as lop sided as now but the seeds of the current situation were sown back around then with Munster in particular and the poor pathways.



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,406 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Ive seen him go in low, feet first, like a Scottish centre half in the 90s. It's not an improvement on the shoulder charge or half-assed flailing he does a lot of the time.

    He needs a week with Will Connors



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    forgot bowe played in the 2006 6Ns, to be honest id say he'd prefer to forget it too (even though i actually dont think he was that bad against france, just very unlucky with a few things)

    but yeah as much as EOS and Kidney could have a munster bias at times which would lead to a munster-dominated squad, its was nothing compared to the current situation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,326 ✭✭✭✭phog


    It's not really new, we heard it back then too, on this very forum. Btw, I think the point you're trying to make is slightly incorrect though, Munster never had the dominance that Leinster have now. Even in the pack, there was usually a Leinster front row player or lock in the mix too. Aside from ROG or Humphreys Leinster were pretty much the supplier of the backs.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,485 ✭✭✭fitz


    Did Izzy not play in the row for Ulster a couple of weeks ago with a performance that many were calling man of the match worthy? I'd rather he benched than Henderson, tbh, but our row options are light due to injuries. Not ideal, but happy enough with the rest of the team. Getting excited for the start of the tournament now.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I'll never understand how Geordan Murphy survived that France game but Bowe got cut. He was far, far more culpable! I guess credit banked got him through.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    i dont remember him being particularly bad aginst them in 2006 tbh but its been a while since ive watched it to be fair. he had a bit of a poor game against them in croke park the next year and then was out in the cold for a while but i always thought he was a much better player than dempsey tbh, arguably a bit less solid but infinitely better in attack



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,121 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    What could've been if he didn't break his leg in 2003 warm ups



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭accensi0n




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,768 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    Not in favour of SP starting, I'd have started Crowley every day of the week.

    Henderson owes us a big game off the bench (I'd have liked to have seen Izzy or Ahern there ahead of him and McCarthy), likes of Lowe and Hansen too. Nash unlucky not to be involved. Aki is the right call at 12 and Beirne definitely better in the row than at 6. Maybe should have been Osbourne ahead of Henshaw on the bench, I love Henshaw but he either starts or not involved for me.

    Baird is a funny one, only 266 minutes played this season but is handed the 6 jersey. There's others I'd have had ahead of him.

    Kelleher and co. need to get that line-out humming from the off. Hope the backplay clicks better than it did in the Autumn.

    Lots of questions to be answered, I dunno, I feel this has banana skin written all over it.

    Absolutely love the Six Nations, by far the best rugby tournament out there. Brightens up a crap enough time of year too. I think we'd be the first to win 3-in-a-row if we do it?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    I was at that one. Is that when "Turnstiles" was added to his name?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,824 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I didn't because he's a light kid. I did say he was massively talented and the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Sexton's awful technique is one reason the laws were changed. He cleaned cup his act in his last few years but I really hope we don't see SP use the same approach, he'll become a red card machine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,824 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I'd forgotten completely about Max Deegan. He's been impressive this year. I think he should be in the squad.

    Post edited by eagle eye on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,277 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Not to be wanting to stoke the provincial nonsense but at least back then Munster were getting over the line in their cup finals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,277 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    A lot of talk about the English BR selection.

    I think the players that will have the biggest say in this game could actually be the Fullbacks and back 3.

    The Packs will ultimately balance each other out, it’s probably the area on the field that’s most even. The English scrum could be on top with furlong out, the Irish lineout could be on top with better BR options. The breakdown then is a back and forth battle.

    So it comes down to back play and both teams just love kicking so the ability and accuracy of the 15’s is crucial, that and also the inevitable YC or Red card the English love to pick up should sway the game.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭CONSI


    putting all the squad/provincial bickering aside, what are people's predictions, Ireland 9/2 for the grand slam, -6 points tomorrow…France 7/5 to win 6 nations…

    I think tomorrow will be very tight, we might just stumble over the line. I can see Scotland away being a big test, they are due a win against us..its not inconceivable we lose 3 games this year..if we play like we did in the Autumn I'd be worried



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,803 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    JvdF, AKA The South African Bull, has gone completely off the rails.

    "A day before the game, I’d have a doughnut or a couple of cookies"

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/2025/01/31/josh-van-der-flier-a-day-before-the-game-id-have-a-doughnut-or-a-couple-of-cookies-it-helps-me-relax/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,812 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Yes, but it wasn't really translating into the international success. Like, the triple crowns under EOS were great craic at the time but whatever you want to say about Farrell's selection policies, we're double 6N champions and we have a legitimate expectation of beating pretty much everyone we come up against.

    Even when we were double 6N champs under Joe, there was no Slam and beating SA or NZ was still considered a big upset. That's no longer the case.

    That seems to be the most important thing, no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,326 ✭✭✭✭phog


    At our best, I'm always slow to predict a Grand Slam but I'll be very disappointed if we don't win the 6Ns and/or the Triple Crown. I agree with you, we can't be as poor as were during the AIs and hope to win too much, even with the big two games at home.

    I also worry that we're going for 3 in a row, it's never been achieved before so that shows how difficult it's to win a 6Ns championship but I do think we're good enough to do it, if we cut out the silly errors that have crept into our game.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It's amazing how much of that lack of success basically just boiled down to our complete and total inability to beat France.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,812 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Yeah, but there was also the RWCs in that period

    Like, Farrell gets a lot of flak for beating SA and losing to NZ by one score in 2023, but compare that to any of the RWCs from 1999 through to 2011 and it's night and day. We never really travelled on any SH summer tour with any sort of expectation, we were always hoping to cling on and maybe sneak an upset.

    Edit: it didn't get much rosier in 2015 and 2019, obviously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭crossman47


    I'd like to be optimistic but I think France will be champions this year. We're a little down on where we were. Hansen below par, front row a worry without an injury prone Furlong, no longer have POM to rescue the line out, SP a coming talent but not there yet, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,056 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    England definitely have enough quality to win tomorrow. Their defence is so fast up that it kills attacks far before they reach the gain line.

    During the November tests they weren't able to keep that intensity for longer than 30 minutes and you could see teams identify gaps in the line where a defender should have been. Ireland have the passing game to exploit those gaps should they appear.

    I wonder will England hold back on the line speed a bit? It hasn't worked right for most games and now their new defence coach has been given more time he might change things slightly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭Mr Tickle


    Exactly. This is a great situation. I do hope that they switch back and forth between them during the tournament though. They're different players and will give you different things at different stages of a game so it's worth making a selection based on the plan for a given week.
    It would be great if we could get passed the false drama of using the word "dropped" every time there's a change in the starting lineup.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,803 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Its a good point.

    EOS had to contend with a Back Row Imanol Harinordoquy, Olivier Magne & Serge Betsen. All World Class players.

    Then Bonnaire
    and Thierry Dusautoir came on the scene! For both EOS and DK.

    Joe Schmidt basically had to just contend with an injury ravaged Dusautoir and Picamoles (who was not WC).

    By that stage Ireland had all the world class players; Heaslip, SOB, and CJ/POM.

    If Ireland win the battle of the BR tomorrow (unsure how Baird will work/play), Ireland win that game.

    Im very confident Ireland can overcome Alldritt
    -Boudehent
    -Cros (IF vdF is playing).
    Only have to worry about Dupont then!

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