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⚠️ Storm Éowyn - Fri 24.01.25 (**Please read Mod Instruction in OP.**)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭crusd


    Unlike the other utilities the Mobile providers are not providing any relevant information on outages at all. It would not be outrageous to expect an outage map, how many are power related and how man are damage related would it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    Ah the moneytree theory

    Since you're so outraged I suggest you go out and find an elderly person in a home without power and pay for Their hotel accommodation. Let's know how you get on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,716 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,207 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    This is what needs to be done for future events.

    The "hubs" are predominately voluntary organisations/buildings that are specificilly for another purpose that just opened - nothing more than that - as you've outlined without these good people there wouldn't be hubs instead of having a plan in place prior to these events around services available, contact details, and a bit of organisation.

    Many houses will, after this, be better setup for future events and you'd hope that all groups involved would learn some lessons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Physical damage to the operator site itself.

    Most rural sites utilise fibre from OpenEir and NBI for connectivity at some point along the line.

    Most rural sites share infrastructure - all 3 operators using the same tower, power and connectivity/backhaul.

    OpenEir or NBI exchange/PoP loses power or their own fibre backhaul, and all of the mobile networks immediately go down with it.

    Wheras if there was backup microwave connectivity to the site there is every reason it could still operate, even for calls and SMS.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭crusd


    So a country with a budget surplus forecast at $9billion this year cannot afford to sped a bit on disaster management?

    And even if there wasn't massive budget surplus, spending ondisaster recovery is always a worthwhile investment, both morally and economically

    Post edited by crusd on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,154 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭ClimateObserver


    Following the 2010 ice and snow, local authorities got their act together to ensure salt and gritting supplies would be better stocked and better planning for snow-ice events was implemented. This was during a recession, the money was still found and spent wisely. Subsequent snow-ice events were much better managed.

    That 2010 event was the catapult for creating the Emergency Management Group which now seems to just be a waffling shop. There are alot of very, very highly paid people sitting at these meetings and they cannot seem to get any sort of plan together.

    The country is crying out for an advance flood warning system as far back as the soaking wet winter of 2015. Nothing is implemented a whole decade later with promises that 'something is in the pipeline' and it could be 2027 or beyond. That is a joke.

    The trouble in this country is too many committees etc… with people just interested in offering opinions on why this cannot be done and why that cannot be done and commanding serious sums on money for solving very little. There is no focus on solving problems because most of these people sitting around a table will not be 'told what to do' as they hold an attitude that 'I'm paid €250,000 per year and you won't dictate to me how to run my department.

    Sorry for dragging this off topic, I was barely affected by the storm - however if I were in Galway or other areas badly affected I'd be as angry as hell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Orban6


    My local masts were not knocked down. Our area actually had HV power until the ESB cut it off due to local 240v lines coming down. The service went when the ESB cut off the supply. When supply was restored to the area, service was restored. 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭crusd


    The contention that this is was a once in 60/80 year event does not stand up to scrutiny. Credit to @sryanbruen for the below table comparing this to previous storms. Unfortunately we do not have comparable data for Mace head, but looking at the sites where we do, Eowyn was not a once in a century event as some are claiming. My eye is particularly drawn to Claremorris below. There were multiple storms in the 90's with worse conditions in the area, but none with the level of impact to utilities

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    No not begrudging. But plenty of jobs work through the night, in difficult conditions etc and are not renumerated half as well. So I'm not feeling sorry for them.

    I feel sorry for the customers without services and similar to the HSE. I'd question how the money is being used. Because the end user experience is terrible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    I fear a lot of people are going to get screwed over by their insurance providers when the dust settles.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,635 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Mod Note: This thread is gone totally off topic. Don't want to shut it but we will need to stay on topic related to the storm. Some good information, data andhelpfull infornative posts but political agendas creeping in.

    Please keep politics and attributing blame out of the thread , that is for another forum not here.

    Posts deemed off topic and uncivil will and are being removed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    That's ok then. Your local masts didn't come down so therefore other masts didn't either 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    You'll want to ask Pascal about the budget. It's above my pay grade



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Orban6


    I never said they didn't but adopting the attitude that there is no point in installing backup power is, frankly, just stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    I keep hearing about the 'once in a century' weather events and I'm hearing it more regularly.

    Yes, building an underground network would be extremely costly, but cheaper to maintain & repair.

    I'd like to have seen a 3 metre tunnel carrying broadband & services under the centre margin of our most recently constructed motorways, branching off at road overpasses & exits. Doing it now would be very costly.

    Upfront costs are always shied away from by central goverment, after all it wouldn't do not to be able to take the credit for long term planning.

    Agree that ongoing works like tree felling would mitigate damage & outages.

    Can the NECG determine, cost & fund works that the local Authorities & Councils carry out ?.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That is a complete misconception and misreading of what I am saying.

    Villages, towns and cities should be where housing is built, not one-off housing in meandering ribbon development at best, or at the end of boreens at worst.

    Keenans of Termonbarry is a great stop for trips to Castlebar, been in it many times.

    There is no need for any house in Ireland to be built further than walking distance from a village.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭crusd


    in 1960 Ireland was 45% Urban, it is now 65%. Urban is defined as a town with more than 1,500 people . So places like Tarmonbarry is counted as rural



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭ClimateObserver


    The Dutch are notorious for ribbon development in some parts:

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    However, on closer inspection, they tend to underground their electricity supply:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,207 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Ok, Apologies for the throwaway comment on the 60/80 year event. This more in terms of actual outcomes and damaged caused as opposed to pure wind speed figures.

    The contention you made that these events are becoming "more regular" which isn't true based wholy on the brilliant graph you provided yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,514 ✭✭✭mayo.mick


    I have never experienced a storm like that one in my lifetime. We got it very bad here in east Mayo. Unbelievable amount of damage done. Thankfully nobody got hurt (that I've heard of). My power went at 3am and I was out for 5 days. Some parts of the town got power back after 4 days. Power gone so long, I've lost all the stats from the worst of the storm due to power loss for so long. Some photos of the damage done around here.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,207 ✭✭✭✭kippy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭crusd


    The theoretical rationale that more energy in the system results in more extreme events is sound. Weather that theory turns out to be true will only be known in 50 yeas time. So you plan based both on the current known risks of extreme events and the theoretical potential that there could be more



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    Even I have a generator and switch installed. I've never had to use them in the 2 years I've had them. I know farmers who have a generator at the farm but not at the house and dumped freezers full of food because of it. I couldn't figure the sense of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    No problem with answers:

    1. We can afford hotels for thousands of migrants so should be no problem for our vulnerable elderly
    2. MPRN


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,207 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    You've already shown via the brilliant graph posted that we've had less of these events in the past two decades than the previous two. The events aren't becoming "more regular" - if anything the opposite is the case….. for Ireland anyway….

    Agreed, there's no harm in better planning - many things here could and should have been planned better but I don't agree that these events are becoming more regular - the evidence suggests they are not becoming more regular in our climate, but there's potential for it.

    I suppose I amn't disagreeing your with the general jist of what you are saying but we have no factual data to suggest that these types of events are getting more regular.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭crusd


    You make the mistake of setting your baseline at an abnormally high decade for major storms. Also, you will note that the table does not claim to be a list of all storms, just a comparison between Eowyn and some major 20th century storms, with Darwin included. Ophelia is not there. So you could equally claim - 3 major storms in 11 years compared to none between 1975 and 1987 proves that major events are increasing. But I dont claim that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,207 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I don't make any mistake - the graphic speaks for itself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,335 ✭✭✭boccy23


    A bit like the weather, this tread went downhill quickly.



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