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Weird Flex of having a Fireplace

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,163 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    There's new houses and apartments near me and they have a large unsightly metal thing outside their patio doors. They were advertised as air to water? Is that a heat pump ?



  • Posts: 139 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The people without fireplaces and stoves are just collateral and the target of such statements (the ‘flexing’) is the green agenda which is seeking to leave people exposed and relying on electricity alone.

    The purpose of the green agenda is to create a new market for investors to exploit and ordinary non-elite liberals are being credulous in putting all their eggs in that basket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,749 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Posts: 139 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I cum with pure ecstasy when I light my fire up every night and think about literally polluting the environment we share.

    You’re the one who thinks he’s more important than the general public, who love their open fires and stoves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,163 ✭✭✭✭anewme




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭rowantree18




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭rowantree18


    Based on the conspiracy theories about heat pumps being posted - perhaps it might help to know that heat pumps have been used in Scandinavia since the 60s (more specifically geothermal or earth pumps) as they realised warm air from the earth could be used to heat water and this heated radiators. Yes, you need electricity to do it, but relatively little compared to the energy required to heat by oil/gas.

    My monthly bill for 138m2 is approx 100e. That's the electricity bill, there's no additional fuel bill. That's light hot water, all appliances and of course heat, the pumps keep the house at a consistent 21-22c.

    There is no conspiracy theory. This is a good technology which will help end the damp, mouldy, never warm enough homes many had to endure. Yes, houses must be well insulated which is why the technology works well in Scandinavia as they have brilliant houses. But.if your house is suitable, they are fantastic. I remember waking to filthy condensation, mould etc, and we had central heating on a lot for irish houses in the 70s.

    I love, love my heat pumps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I am so sorry for your inability to used modern vehicular what time period would you like to converse in.

    It is apparent you are unable to apply definitions so conversion will be some what limited.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,163 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Ask your Mammy to get you a Dictionary off Santy and it might help you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Amazing! Of all the retorts I have heard in my life thou has penetrated my heart in most an egregious manour



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,772 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    We had a backboiler in our fireplace years ago and it was an absolute pain in the arse, as you say it required a huge amount of fuel and when the power went we couldn't use it as there was no pump to circulate the water. Ther was a risk of the boiler exploding, you'd hear the water boiling away and the whole unit starting to bounce off it's fitting. Gladly got rid of it. You'd be mad to get one installed these days, imho.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,263 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Heat pumps are grand on A rated airtight houses. However a significant are not build to that standard. I suspect you have solar panels as well which is the correct thing to do as well.

    Mine is a 1991 build house but insulated to a much higher standard but not to modern standards. It was not build to be airtight at the time and 30 years later( like many houses build now in 30 years time) the windows and doors seals have deteriorated. And my houses is insulated to a much higher standard than houses back then.

    I have 100mm of blown rockwool in cavities. Drylined with an 25mm insulated slab board. 150mm of insulation in the attics. Under the floor is 50mm pink insulation boards. The heating system is an oil Stanley Range and a stove with a back boiler.

    Just as an aside anyone with an open fire with the cost of fuel is making a serious error. Small room heater stoves are quite cheap and reduce the fuel need to heat a room by 50%+, give out more heat and when it goes out the draughts issue is virtually non existence.

    We intend to change the oil range next year and are considering a wood pellet boiler stove, the technology has much improved and is more defendable than 10+ years ago. We intend to upgrade the insulationand change the doors. However whether the budget will stretch to changing all the glazing is a question we will look at. Chanhing the glazing to be made really worth while would require doing airtightness around all windows and doors as well.

    Upgrading from oil to woodpellet will cost 5K+. Replacing front and back doors 6k+. Airtightness around them 500-1k. Repainting afterwards 2k+( extremely large hall). Insulation upgrade which entails going from 150mm to at least 250 mm 1ki sh doing it ourselves.

    Like any couple we have budget constraints. It might sound good to put in a heat pump, however installing a heat recovery system is financially viable as we live in a dormer and it would require significant structural work. We have other prioritiesas well the orginal kitchen is still in the house and need to be replaced and the utility also needs a revamp at the same time.

    At present heating the house a 170ish sqM house take about 1K litres of kerosene and mainly wood that we can source ourselves. The wood is mainly windfall trees or timber from hedgerow management so it's carbon neutral. Woodpellet heating systems are as carbon neutral as using electricity evennif it was all wind and solar which is never going to happen.

    The reality is for those of us with older houses upgrading to heat pumps is not feasible and after significant expense it can lead to serious electricity bills unless you carry out significant insulation airtightness and glazing upgrades. However even with that you are faced with replacing radiators with electirheaters( underfloor heating is not financially viable) to end up with higher heating costs than previously.

    We were without electricity from Friday morning to this morning. Luckily I got a generator 3KW set up on Saturday which ran the fridge and freezer, a TV and it would boil the kettle. The oil range actually went faulty ( control unit fault it was 34 years old but the uneven voltage from.the generator may not have helped it). The stove and back boiler kept the upstairs rooms and the sitting room comfortable, we got a gas heater for the kitchen/ dining room.

    On gas heater if you are buying one. Get one of the Manhattan type as opposed to the older Superser type as in the link

    https://shop-ni.calorgas.ie/calor-gas-3-4kw-manhattan-portable-gas-heater.html

    However people with modern airtight houses should careful using gas heater as Oxygen depletion could be an issue in the case of an electricity being out. You will have no air exchange with the heat recovery system not working. Make sure to have a carbon monoxide alarm in the room

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭rowantree18


    Yes, mine is A rated so the pumps work well, I do realise not every house is suitable for them. I'm just trying to say that in the right circumstances they are efficient, relatively cheap for the comfort they provide and that it's not a conspiracy.....

    Your post is excellent and the advice regarding having a back up gas heater in an airtight house is really important



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,354 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    A heat pump derives 3/4 of the energy used in it's output from the outside air. 1/4 of the output comes from the grid.

    Of that 1/4, almost 40% comes from renewables. So running a heat pump in Ireland uses just 15% fossil fuel for its output.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭Dan I Am


    Well I think that refference to "panties bunched" was a little sexist and homophobic. I'm going to go to bed and have a ltttle cry (but keep it down for er indoors)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    I have central heating and also a open fire in the sitting room.

    I don't light the fire all the time but I do love it on dark cold nights in winter.

    The crackle off it and the visualisation. It creats quite a relaxing atmosphere for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭fits


    yep the absolute comfort of a modern house with constant temperature.

    I do like having the wood stove but it definitely affects the indoor air quality when used.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Of that 1/4, almost 40% comes from renewables

    No it doesn't, it's a nice myth we like to tell ourselves.

    The Data Centres gobble up most the renewable energy produced on the Island so they can put a green feather or whatever nonsense on their brochures.

    It's not like it all goes into one energy pot and we all get a slice. They basically rent the wind farms over long contracts.

    https://renews.biz/92606/greencoat-wind-farm-powers-dublin-data-centres/

    https://www.sserenewables.com/news-and-views/2024/05/power-purchase-deal-inked-with-microsoft-for-lenalea-wind-farm/

    Not just Data Centres.

    https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/vodafone-signs-wind-ppa-in-ireland/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I was trying to say that everyone is getting their knickers in a twist about having a fire/stove

    No they aren't. You just made that up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,354 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Actually that's exactly what happens. Once a generator is connected to the grid it is completely commingled with everyone else on the grid. Accounting tricks do not change that.

    Data centres don't go offline when the wind isn't blowing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    Anyone have a good recommendation for something that looks like a wood burning stove, doesn't blow out noisy hot air but isn't a dimplex radiator? The dimplex is handy for warning a single room but it doesn't feel cosy. We have two electric stoves that blow out warm air but they are noisy and after a few minutes the room starts to feel claustrophobic from the warm air.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I never said Data Centres run exclusively on renewables.

    What a Data Centre will do is sign an agreement with a wind farm at X unit price for a long period 10-15 years, not only that they will pay a large chunk of that up front so the Wind Farm company can expand their energy production and then lay a claim to that for the next 10-15 year at X unit price.

    So that vast majority of us are getting our energy from fossil fuels including coal at a different market rate and paying the carbon taxes on them.

    Whilst they get to put a green feather on their website pretending to be environmental.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,342 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


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    This uses no fossil fuels and kept us warm during the long periods we we were recently without power for and there was a layer of hail on the ground and hills all day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I certainly expect such a comment from somebody with no regard for others and think it would bother me.

    You also have it wrong as I never suggested taking anything away from people. There is of course rules and laws about what you can burn no matter who you are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,342 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Out of shot to the right is a set of fire tools, which include a brush and a shovel. I use these to sweep up the ash when I'm not busy coping with the work caused by a force 12 tempest passing through.

    Let's see - some ash that can be easily swept up in seconds or freezing - tough choice for some, really easy for me.

    The real flex going on is by prissy dweebs in their A rated houses with heat pumps and who didn't have several days of no power to cope with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,749 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Heat pump/air to water, EV folk just ignore where their power is coming from and the 'filth' it generates. Out of sight, out of mind.
    I think those who have heated themselves via traditional methods are allowed a little bit of gloating having endured the moral high ground grandstanding and myopia of the 'green' activists,

    By all means invest in more environmentally and efficient ways but for pity sake do it when people are ready for it and not by dangerous decree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Doesn't soot come out when the door is open like that? You do get I have been in houses with open fires and I know it is not just a little ash and their is also the smell. People get used to it but those not used to it notice the smell.

    Not sure why you need to call people names but there was maybe 2-3 people mention their heat pumps and well insulated homes. Pros and cons to everything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,354 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Which is great as a secondary source of heat. I love a fire, they make great company but they are a pain in the arse to have to light one every day.

    I'd take any form of central heating over having solid fuel stove if it were a choice.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,527 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    our stove has a grill at the front to prevent stuff from falling out - the one posted above is unusual, as in theory if a burning log rolled against the door you wouldn't be able to open it for fear of it falling out?

    we have two small room heater stoves, and a honeywell heating control system, so the central heating 'auto balances' itself against the stove (i can't recall ever having lit both stoves at the same time)



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