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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    While a run in the CC is great, we do need to be realistic and think it's only going until any of the other teams decide they are interested.

    I'm still of the opinion that the squad is decent and better than the league position suggests but that tactically we are poor. Yesterday imo would support that, playing keep ball with a huge wind is not a great idea for a team that finds scoring difficult. I do accept that our skill levels are poor but again if you haven't got great skills then playing with the ball all the time passes advantage to the opposition. They just wait for our error, which unfortunately is about as certain as death and taxes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    On a positive note thought Royston and Hawkshaw had some good moments. Piers, Joyce and Murphy went pretty well.

    Devine just has a touch of class about him, always makes something happen. Needs a bit of accuracy in his passing but otherwise looks great.

    Nice to see Finn Tracey get a debut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Hawkshaw was good, as he always is when he gets a run at 12. The problem is that he is best as a hard running 12 but we have three others who can play that role and are a lot bigger than him. Not sure where his future lies with us, I don't think playing 13 is the answer and he doesn't seem to be viewed as a 10. You'd think with his background as an outhalf he could distinguish himself as more of a playmaking 12, but his distribution skills are not particularly good. There is the potential that he has it in the locker but the coaching staff just aren't focusing on those skills, as no-one in the squad seems capable of throwing a pass beyond five metres.

    Devine is a livewire and lots of fun to watch but his passing concerns me. It seems like rather than simply having some execution issues, his technique is fundamentally flawed. He snatches at his passes, pulling his arms across his body rather than following through and finishing the motion with his hands pointed at the receiver. He threw two shockers yesterday, one at Dooley's ankles which forced a forward pass under pressure, and one so far above Hanrahan's head that it earned him a bollocking. Both were off his left hand, where he seems to struggle the most. Don't want to be too critical as I really admire the way he plays the game but he is a full time pro now and standards are high, especially for he who has the potential to be an international if he can nail the fundamentals of the position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    I would be also addingSean Naughton to the mix…

    Ulster are going to have Jack Murphy as their number one by the end of the season… We are playing for nothing in URC really, blood up a lad or two and it would be worth while…

    Devine is a massive player and player that we might be lucky to keep when we get down to a choice between Murphy and Devine…

    To be honest I could see either Murphy or Devine being No. 2 in Leinster getting huge game time…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Thought Paul Boyle was very good as well, he's had a brilliant return to form this season and is one of the few capable of making a line break.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Eight Connacht players now in Ireland camp - is that a record?

    Poor reflection on this coaching ticket that they are not able to get better results out of this squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    We can do it to CC final
    Buckley B.Murphy, Aki, Hansen, D.Murray, Prendergast, Forde, Bealham, maybe Porch/Bolton, that's way enough to move from a decent team, winning in a very tricky away Cardiff game for exemple, to a really good team in April



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    When all is over and done there is just nothing to be said. Over the years I have been a critic in the hope for better. I have nothing more to say. That Glasgow performance was an absolute disgrace. I can't even blame Pete Wilkins on this one. That performance was realized by players who for some reason are paid a wage. They should be utterly ashamed of themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,997 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Well said, I fully agree that we need to give younger players the opportunity in the URC for the rest of the season. It's good for them and it's good for the senior lads to be fresh for the Challenge cup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Same thinking…

    I would say at the moment we seem to lack a plan in attack and this comes more obvious when they get into the opposition 22. It is very frustrating and I really feel for the players… The Outhalves seem to not know where there players are going to be. Either our moves are very easy read (or Old), ponderous, not executed properly (could be too complex) or doesn't exist (unlikely).

    I think this started last year when Jack tried a few no look passes and the players weren't at the end of them. Jack looked very stupid (unfairly), criticised and stopped doing it. That used to open defenses… Against Ulster it was like we told Ulster what we were doing before every play… Only thing that worked that night was a chip from Jack and Mack following and getting lucky. Rest was shocking…

    We are just not converting and the challenge cup performances we were in different class than opposition. We meet a proper team (that does its homework) and we could have problems.

    This coaching team is not performing. It lacks a lot. I think we when Friend was leaving we should have swapped like for like and no other changes. Say a Declan Kidney in for a year or two and let him change other personal to hand over. Pete not only have to learn how to be a Manager but all his coaches were learning too..

    Way too much, we are 18 months later and we can't tell you where the real problems are..We can gues but even some days Nigel would tell you that Pat Lamb called the shots…



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  • Posts: 146 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have to disagree here. I don't have a much faith in the way the team are coached, but we should let the fixtures, results, and player fitness dictate our plans. We're also a rubbish team cold after some time off. What we need to do is build form by winning multiple games without pushing the lads too far.

    Here's our fixture list:

    • Feb 15 - Cardiff (H) (URC)
    • Mar 1 - Benetton (H) (URC)
    • Mar 22 - Ospreys (A) (URC)
    • Mar 29 - Munster (McHale Park) (URC)
    • Apr 5 - Cardiff (H) (Challenge Cup)
    • Apr 11/12/13 - Potential QF (H) (Challenge Cup)
    • Apr 19 - Stormers (A) (URC)
    • Apr 26 - Lions (A) (URC)
    • May 2/3/4 - Potential SF (H) (Challenge Cup)
    • May 10 - Edinburgh (H) (URC)
    • May 17 - Zebre (A) (URC)
    • May 23 - Potential Final (Cardiff) (Challenge Cup)

    The first three fixtures are very winnable with rest weekends between them.

    Are we really going to rest all our front line players for "the big game in Mayo"? We'll undo half the good work from filling McHale Park.

    Manage the squad sensibly to win every game until after the Challenge Cup QF then make a big call on the strength of the squad we send to South Africa. The Lions and Stormers both look beatable right now even if it's a big ask.

    There's plenty of leeway to develop players sensibly in that schedule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    If we were 8 points better or even 5 points better, it would have been a great run in…

    We can't seem to breakdown defences anymore…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭kita99


    In all sports in any countries, almost all teams change the manager or HC in this (like Connacht) situation as the adrenaline shot although it's too late. Maybe there are some reason Connacht cannot sack.



  • Posts: 146 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The big long-term concern I have is our coaching instability. I've listed our coaching tickets for what I think of as the "Wilkins era" with some notes. Some of the notes are not confirmed facts so make your own mind up.

    The key thing for me is that we keep bundling together inexperienced or new coaches with an inexperienced head coach then find that he ends up taking on technical coaching work to fix problems mid-season. There are two - possibly three by next season - appointments that just haven't worked out in the list as a result. All teams will have these issues but Connacht seem to have them more often and seem to have been in a constant rebuild of the game plan, coaching team, or both throughout this period. We're potentially changing three of five again this Summer.

    21/22:

    • Friend (Head)
    • Wilkins (Senior)
    • Tucker (Defence & Forwards Technical Skills)
    • Lawler (Assistant Attack & Skills)
    • Senekal (Forwards)

    The last season where Friend was officially Head Coach.

    My understanding is that Wilkins took over responsibility for the defense mid season.

    22/23:

    • Friend (Director of Rugby)
    • Wilkins (Head)
    • Tucker (Scrum & Contact)
    • Lawler (Attack & Skills)
    • Senekal (Lineout & Maul)

    Connacht said that Wilkins position reflected his responsibilities with Friend transitioning out at the end of the season.

    My understanding is that Wilkins took over responsibility for the attack mid season.

    23/24:

    • Wilkins (Head)
    • Tucker (Scrum & Contact)
    • Muldoon (Lineout & Maul)
    • Sexton (Assistant Attack)
    • Fardy (Defense)

    My understanding is that Wilkins took over responsibility for the defense at some point in this or next season.

    24/25:

    • Wilkins (Head)
    • Tucker (Scrum & Contact)
    • Muldoon (Lineout & Maul)
    • Sexton (Attack)
    • Fardy (Defense)

    Sexton's departure has already been announced. Suggestions that Wilkins may have taken over the attack again as a result.

    My understanding is that Wilkins took over responsibility for the defense at some point in this or last season.

    The rumours of Tucker to Munster haven't been resolved yet.

    Fardy is out of contract and I wouldn't be hugely surprised if he moves on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    If they are waiting until the end of the season for a shake up then they are waiting too long…

    We have a half a season there to get things right for next season. That time could be used usefully..

    Learning how to attack, blooding players…

    Have we a management team who will do anything for win, instead of building for the future?

    What should we be doing right now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    This won't happen for financial reasons, we'd be very limited trying to recruit coaches mid season anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Why do I get the feeling (this is just a feeling, hardly evenan opinion) if Wilkins doesn't coach something it goes to crap.

    He is trying to be a Coach (which I think he can do) and be Manager (which I think he struggles at)…

    So we robbed Peter to pay Paul and seems we got nothing…

    I see Pete as a very good technical coach. He went on the Irish setup and they seemed to think he was as well.. I don't see him as a Manager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 2025Connacht


    Id be of the view that if Wilkins DOES coach something it goes to crap. This year his primary focus is defence I believe which tells its own story.

    I'm genuinely lost why people think Wilkins is a good technical coach but that could be just my bias. From memory Edinburgh were poor under him as defence coach and were keen to ditch him and since he's joined us he's jumped from role to role with very little if any discernable improvement and usually I see regression where he's involved.

    I think where Wilkins must be good from what I've seen and heard is as a stats or video guru in the background.

    The best technical coaches I could see with my untrained eye since Friend came in (where it was very obvious they improved what we were doing) were Nigel Carolan and Dewald Senekal.

    Wilkins seems like a good person but ultimately he's out of his depth in terms of being a head coach who is ultimately responsible for the predictable frustrating game plan that we persist with. Everyone has to take a part of the responsibility for each area but ultimately it falls on him. For any half decent teams playing Connacht the recipe to win is pretty straightforward. A strong defensive line and play territory and we'll burn ourselves out going through multiple phases going nowhere and with no kicking option as an alternative.

    In terms of man management and leadership of the organisation as a whole I've rarely seen anyone who is so ill fitting to the role.

    The recruitment and departures at Connacht has at best frustrating with notable exceptions like Ben Murphy and the squad appears to be lopsided to me. He's had more than enough time to shape his own squad and even with a limited budget he's not done well. Lots of players who serve no purpose have been brought in while we have glaring issues in key areas that have persisted for years. Quality players being messed around and no idea of the makeup of his best backline.

    Willie Ruane has dug this hole for himself. The stadium getting done and the success of the trip to Castlebar will allow him to spin the positives but he has made two disastrous appointments as head coach. With Keane we cut our losses early but Wilkins feels more death by a thousand cuts and this will really come to be a problem when his staff are given the task of getting a respectable crowd for run of the mill games in the new stadium. Connacht is a hard sell at the moment even though in theory we've never been more marketable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,997 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Looking forward to watching our under 20's Eanna McCarthy and Bobby Power tomorrow night and Billy Bohan on the bench as well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    As crap as we are playing, we are only 5 points behind 8th place and our run in isn't that bad…

    Stormers has one game in hand and Lions has two…

    • Stormers extra is against the Bulls (Home)
    • Lions Two are against Sharks (away) and Bulls (away)

    As bizarre as it is, if we could play rugby, it is there for us…. At the moment, it looks out of reach…

    That is whats really frustrating..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    A lot of coverage this last week about supporting Munster, Ulster and Connacht to bridge the gap to Leinster. Probably just means Munster with the other two tagged on to make it sound like it's for the good of Irish rugby but if it's a genuine aim then I would like to see the IRFU and Connacht go after a known quantity, with a successful track record, with experience of working with Irish players to lead Connacht towards new heights.

    With a squad that has 3 current Irish international starters, another 2 squad members and an NI international winger and some great young talent that is way underperforming.m, surely we will make a decent coach look pretty good.

    Stuart Lancaster looks like he will be available at the end of the season. Pay him what he needs and give him the back room needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 Connacht4life


    does a season ticket get you into the Munster game in McHale park?



  • Posts: 146 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes. Season ticket holders had an advance option to upgraded to the covered stand but we should all have general admission to the terraces by default. Presumably the branch will clarify the exact details at some stage.



  • Posts: 146 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd love an experienced head coach with a history of bringing through young talent and building a strong backroom staff. I don't think that person is Lancaster. Whenever he's had broader responsibilities outside of coaching the outcomes have been poor and we don't have anywhere near the money required to put the support system Leinster had in to facilitate him being a pure coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,008 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Eric D as DOR would be great



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 Cherryson


    Yep and Takim on the decks!

    Who is Eric D, Ben B?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Shayne Bolton called up to the Irish squad together with Tom Ahern.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    I have thought about this and completely agree. I was just thinking about the ROG situation and then thinking about Pat Lam at Connacht. Pat Lam left at the right time. ROG has hung on too long. Change is always required



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