Israel/Palestine Thread

The Holocaust was enabled by a regime of systematic murder that began by the manipulation of language and belief and the spreading of fear. We, in our times, must be alert to the identification and confrontation of hate speech in any of its many guises.

I suspect that this might be the offensive bit. All of the following have been happening in relation to Palestine and Palestinians:

systematic murder                   over 46,000 dead, with thousands more missing

manipulation of language            for instance, the IHRA definition of anti-semitism

manipulation of belief              starting with 40 beheaded babies, where will it end?

spreading of fear                   attempts at spreading belief in anti-semitism such as in post 39564 above

identification of hate speech       dehumanisation of Palestinians

confrontation of hate speech        consider how those of us who stand up for Palestinians are shouted down

We could all add in hundreds of examples if we were just to go back through this thread where the above or support for it is rife.

The zionists no longer like being identified as such. They know their ideology is now anathema to the rest of the world, and this is why they want to shut down criticism of it under the guise of anti-semitism. Higgins has alluded to this here, although in a generic way. They hate him for it.

I have something to add about the above speech myself, but I want to hear from the pro-zionists first rather than speculate what they do and don't find offensive on behalf of their buddies.

But an important point here is that this does appear to be anti-Zionism and not anti-Semitism (as she admits she never had the slightest problems as a Jew in the five and a half years before). I do accept her point that the atmosphere has very much changed in Ireland since October 7th and that is unfortunate for Israelis who live here. One wonders though if that is unique to Ireland, or if Israelis around Europe and elsewhere are 'feeling the heat' because of what has been happening in Gaza.

No not really.

It is a global Holocaust memorial day you know, not just in Ireland.

So if you want to organise a special day to remember the Germans who were killed in WW2 maybe you should think about doing it.Personally I don't think there is much demand for it myself, I guess having a world wide day to remember the country who started the whole war and caused such destruction in Europe I have a feeling might piss off all the countries in Europe they invaded during the war period.

Nuances are lost outside Ireland. The country is being portrayed as mindless jew haters whether people like it or not. Small countries need to box clever to survive in the world. Instead, recently our politicians have engaged in the type of student union politics that leads to isolation and this approach could lead to other repercussions for the Irish people.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-ireland-sharren-haskel-michael-higgins-b2687058.html

We need to see more tactfulness but with Israel it's too late. We won't have a chair, never mind an opinion heard, at any table dealing with Israel/Gaza.

It's self defeating not just for Ireland but for Palestinians as well.

You have to be inside the tent to help. We've put ourselves outside the tent.

Hamas a designated terrorist organization are resisting the genocidal state of Israel. Their ideology calls for the destruction of the state of Israel and not genocide. Maybe people are adopting the rhetoric of the enemy of my enemy is my friend in those marches. Britain allied with the Soviets against the Nazis etc.

Anyway, no idea why you're asking me. My comment was about anti semitism in Ireland and restricting access of our country to war criminals, (ISIS and IDF were cited).

Maybe you meant to reply to someone about Hamas flags?

You don't have any understanding of how foreign affairs works so of course you don't understand it.

You can't help the people you claim you want to help when a party to a conflict declares you persona non grata because you have been inept in showing extreme bias. You won't have even the minimal say because you'll be excluded from talks when they happen.

Ask yourself why the government constantly rejected calls to close the Israeli embassy? Do you remember what Coveney was saying about having someone to talk to versus having no one to talk to?

These are not difficult concepts to understand. It's how all small countries maintain some say in diplomacy with those they disagree.

Otherwise you're just ignored.

You are getting there.

Consider all the countries in the Middle East that have been invaded/attacked by Israel. Now you can get a flavour of how israel is viewed, not just in the Middle East but globally.

In the meantime, I won't be shedding any tears for the Germans who died in the war, despite many of them being innocent victims of the Nazi regime. However if we are to have a Holocaust day - remember that Ireland did not have anything to do with that, so I am unsure why we should have a holocaust day - from now on it might be a better idea to have an Irish Genocide remembrance day to remember all victims of genocides worldwide and not just one select group.

"Here's an answer to a question that wasn't asked so that I may divert attention away from the question I was asked"