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Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    Pictures speak a thousand words… 2 year old layla Khateeb killed by a headshot from an israeli sniper. Mother also killed.

    "most moral army in the world"

    Fuk israel.

    Timing how long the mods goose step in and remove the post 😎" we dont tolerate antisemetism or trolling "

    Mod Edit: Warning issued for backseat modding

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    As far as I'm aware, no-one was "dragged out".
    I think it's fair enough to highlight the avoidance of another Holocaust at a Holocaust memorial service.

    "Never again".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I'd imagine Israel see Ireland as a bit player on the international scene and as a tiny nation on the western boundary of Europe. They wouldn't touch the big boys in the 75% of those supporting Palestine - because they are cowards.

    I don't see Israel calling out the UK, who are critics of their campaign, and threatening to remove their embassy.

    Classic bullies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Absolutely agree with you there.

    Some can decide that 47,000 known dead, tens of thousands still under the rubble, mass deportations and forced starvation fits the definition of Genocide.

    Others can deny it. Doesn't make it so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,326 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Kermit is just asking questions.

    He's just an innocent lamb throwing it out there that maybe a bit of ethnic cleansing is not always so bad. It could be a good final solution for these problems after all!

    When the old straight arm salute is coming back into vogue for those on the political right over in the US, maybe Trump can rehabilitate and revise opinions of mass forced population transfers as well. It wasn't all bad you know. Genocide has bright sides.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,633 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    America has freedom of religion, so no, there are no rules as to what religion someone can practice. It's a meritocracy. Disproportionate means nothing as there aren't quotas. But, only an obsessively anti-Jewish person like yourself would assume otherwise.

    As you can see, Biden's administration (I note you mention a bunch of politicians not in the cabinet who aren't involved with foreign policy at all, but unfortunately for you they're Jewish), will likely turn out better for Gaza than Convict President Trump's. He's already said he wants to clean out Gaza.

    For the lulz, 7 out of 9 SCOTUS justices are Catholic. That's far more than the percentage of Catholics in the US. Doesn't matter, but it obviously has some impact on their decisions (cf. Alito's Dobbs decision.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    It’s worse than that

    Half the country is without power and water and our president is more interested in trolling holocaust remembrance events with whataboutery that has nothing to do with the holocaust

    Terrible political move



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,680 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I saw a few Jewish groups asking him not to speak.

    Is that a serious question about how he politicised it?
    He used a holocaust memorial as an opportunity to have a go at Israel. Can you really not see how insensitive and obnoxious that is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    It's a special skill to criticise someone of whataboutery whilst simultaneously, in the same sentence even, saying whatabout the power the water 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    You don’t think the president of this country should you know be doing something about helping the population of this country after a hurricane instead of using a holocaust remembrance event of all things to have a go at his favourite cause far away



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Perhaps you would have been happier had they cancelled the event and allocated the money saved to ESB networks……….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,905 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Half the country? really or is that just hyperbole?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,701 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    A memorial service for the Holocaust isn't the time or place for "calling out" anyone

    Nonsense.

    It's exactly the time to call out nations who are engaging in ethnic cleansing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Oh that's the way the world works is it?

    I can say the same about you, why are you wasting your time on boards talking about something far away you constantly tell us that you don't give a fiddlers about (except to constantly tell everyone to "stop talking about this, that other thing is more faaaar more important, chase that and let Israel continue with it war crimes in peace"). There was a hurricane goddamit.

    Unless of course you are just rabbiting on boards on your break from being out on the front line fixing the phone lines, then fair enough we all have to let off steam, and I thank you for your service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,217 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Whats the point of remembering the holocaust if we ignore the lessons that need to be learned from it?

    Holding a holocaust memorial ceremony which remembers the worst atrocities ever committed by one state against innocent civillians, while the state that emerged as a refuge from such atrocities is themselves committing atrocities against another group of innocent people.

    I think it would be much more offensive to ignore the current conflict than to tiptoe around it and not bring it up at all.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Or they could just remember the Holocaust and not mention anything else apart from it.

    It was just another time when Higgins couldn't resist the urge to grandstand about something, he just can't help himself. is the problem , just like him slobbering over Fidel Castro when he died, he lets his personal biases and interests get in the way of doing the boring job of being the state representative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    I wouldn't call myself a fan of Michael D, but does he not have an obligation to point this out. Israel is a democratic country, with a govt that they selected. That govt is driving a policy that is disgusting, at best. The people of Israel will decide, if they don't like it they should get out and complain, re-elect a govt that will stop raping, murdering, imprisoning and stealing land. Just because some countries support this doesn't mean we should sit quietly by like the good little country. Of all the peoples on this planet did you ever think you would see the day where the persecuted during WW11 are now doing to others what was done to them.

    Why doesn't Israel help support the legitimate govt in Palestine and use their influence to remove Hamas and create a two state solution, and why did Israel do the opposite and support Hamas to drive a wedge through Palestine. It doesn't make sense to me that a country would do that on their doorstep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Did you read what he said? Here is the transcript.

    https://president.ie/en/media-library/speeches/speech-at-national-holocaust-memorial-day-commemoration

    This is the most "political" aspect of the speech. Is this "having a go"?

    The grief inflicted on families by the horrific acts of October 7th, and the response to it, is unimaginable – the loss of civilian life, the majority women and children, their displacement, loss of homes, the necessary institutions for life itself. How can the world continue to look at the empty bowls of the starving?

    The current agreement must end the killing, but, as a matter of urgency, deliver the massive scale-up in humanitarian aid which is urgently needed to save more lives. It is important that all remaining hostages are released and that all phases of the agreement are fully implemented.

    It is to be hoped that the agreement will not only bring an end to the horrific loss of life and destruction which has taken place, but that it will also mark the beginning of meaningful discussions, and that the sustained diplomatic initiative which has been missing from the international community, with tragic consequences, will commence, may bring a meaningful peace and security to Israel, Palestine and the greater region, a peace that will address the root causes of the conflict as well as its aftermath, and be premised on the upholding of human rights.

    When wars and conflicts become accepted or presented as seemingly unending, humanity is the loser. War is not the natural condition of humanity, cooperation is. We must recover and assert this principle at every level – nationally, regionally and internationally.

    We must never lack the courage to challenge hatred and persecution in whatever forms they are sought to be manifested by promoting a world that is free from persecutions based on difference, such as faith or ethnicity, by embracing diversity, by working for equality, peace and justice, thus making possible a world that is free, too, from so many of the sources of war and conflict based on a distorted reflection of the ‘Other



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    What an absolutely ludicrous post….

    Kissing America's arse? **** America! The greatest warmongering nation in the world, greater than Iran, Russia, China, basically any of the BRICs countries…. probably even combined. I mean people go on about China being a threat to world peace. A country that hasn't dropped a bomb in 40 years whilst the Americans or their allies have dropped one on average every 40 minutes for the last 40 years.

    And we're supposed to respect them, kiss their arse because of how it looks if we don't toe the line. Don't call out the killing of children cause of how it might affect our FDI? **** their FDI!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Suckler


    The problem with what you've said is that you've made it up. Nothing of what he said was politicising and/or 'having a go'.

    I would contend that an event in memory of those that were so inhumanely treated is precisely the time to remind those same people that what they have done and continue to do is wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    And what benefit to Ireland have all those other countries been? Are there **** loads of Russian , Iranian companies etc employing people in this country?

    BTW I'm all for kissing China, BRICS countries arse aswell if it's good for our economy and the prosperity of this country, but generally our country has been more economically benefited by America therefore we need to kiss their arse more.

    Although maybe your right maybe we should stand up to those ghastly Americans and put them in their place, I'm sure our opinion of them makes a great difference to American foreign policy.

    Also bit of an odd time to be critcising war mongering from America when Russia started a war in Europe not too long ago and China has been threatening Taiwan in the last copuple of years aswell and suppressing rights of minorities in their country.The Americans may be bad , the alternative are just as bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,813 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    We should respect America and China but I think probably the term "kissing their arse" riles people up the wrong way. If we kissed America's arse we would joined them in their ludicrous wars in the Middle East. As much as possible we should try to be neutral and emphasise International law, which benefits us much more in the long run as a small country.

    Supporting countries just for economic benefit would have lead us down to supporting some very despicable acts in the past such as apartheid in South Africa.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭taratee


    It was a really poor look for the country. He has no respect for those Holocaust survivors. Michael D. gets what Michael D. wants, it appears. I spoke to someone who attended and feel it’s important to reiterate that this was a remembrance service. Michael D. was the only person who politicized it. The opening part of his speech was fine, but then he began talking about antisemitism, the Israeli embassy in Dublin, and Gaza.

    At that point, some people walked out, and four individuals stood up and turned their backs to him. They didn’t interrupt him. Others in the audience simply shook their heads in disbelief. Security escorted the protesters who stood up out of the room. One young woman, a PhD student from Dublin, was reportedly put on the ground and dragged out.

    Senator Gerard Craughwell, who attended the event, tweeted:
    'I was standing a few feet away from these protesters. I do not understand why they were manhandled out of the event. All they did was stand up and turn their back.'

    Edit: Typo.

    Post edited by taratee on

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    You have a problem with Michael D. talking about antisemitism at an event that commemorated the holocaust, i.e. the most extreme manifestation of antismeitism - why?

    His transcript is linked a few posts up. I don't see him mention the embassy, or put any underhanded digs in on Israel. Can you quote what you think he said that is so offensive?

    The compassion he has for all people and his wish to see human rights upheld was the tennet of the speech, and it is extremely respectful. That belief was so obviously missing in world leaders back in the 1930's / 1940s.

    I'm sure the many many Jewish people, and those of other faiths and factions effected by holocaust, would agree with his words.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,217 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    People who turn their back to a speech calling for an end to war, and for humanitarian relief for starving people, and for cooperation to secure a long lasting peace are only showing their own lack of humanity.

    They do not want peace, they want to dominate their enemies and destroy them abd take what is theirs

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Why the dishonesty? Not that it isn't par for the course. The woman in question is not from Dublin. She is Israeli. Neither is she young (Although that might be relative) at 37. It was simply self-serving publicity seeking and any future visa or naturalisation application should be assessed in light if her fundamental problems with Irish people and their State.

    Self anointed "Chosen people" status of a foreigner does not manifest as actual authority over the Irish State. There are no Ubermenschen here. Everyone is equal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Who cares what benefit they've been (besides the oil, gas, cheap tat that they all ship our direction, just that I suppose….), at least they aren't bombing children on the scale that the US does and calling it the necessary evils of doing business. I don't want Ireland to fondle the ballsack of whichever sycophants currently vying for power. If that's all we're at we may as well have the Brits back seen as we're a colony in all but name.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    BTW I'm all for kissing China, BRICS countries arse aswell if it's good for our economy and the prosperity of this country, but generally our country has been more economically benefited by America therefore we need to kiss their arse more.

    Perhaps you might be in favour of removing any public funding for any future holocaust remembrances and instead diverting that funding towards having memorial days for the (actually greater in number) of Chinese civilians murdered by invading forces, often in organised mass killing events, during the 30's and 40's. Perhaps even a call for those events to be given precedence over others in history textbooks?

    Or is your Chinese money argument suddenly not important any more?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,776 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Actually we don't recognise their religion in the constitution. We did, but we removed it at the same time we removed all the stuff about the catholic church having a special status.

    But to be fair, we might have been the only country in the world that gave judaism special protections back then.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,931 ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    "A genocide memorial isn't the time to talk about genocide"

    The Israel supporters here have lost the plot



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