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Is Elon Musk hurting Tesla? (Mod Note Post #1)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,358 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I own many things and including a starlink. Which I've chosen to ditch once nbp comes in a few months time.

    Such is the nature of my opinion not to support this man any further. As i said interesting review. The comments across all of the reviews of the Y today are the same. Outside public opinion is really strong.

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    That's fair, I assume you'll also be getting rid of your BYD, Hyundai or VW?

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,358 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    The nonsense comparisons to the serious rise of facism is a bore. And frankly it diminishes intelligence.

    Also they're stolen talking points btw

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,729 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Every review of this I've looked at is inundated with funny/sarcastic comments. "Does it come in braun", "the self driving feature was only following orders" etc.

    Not a single supportive comment that I could find.

    Does not bode well for sales. But that remains to be seen. A lot of this stuff just dies down and people continue to buy.

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Every review of every Tesla is the same. People that have no interest in the car commenting. It’s not just the facelift reviews that have it.

    Sure boards is the same. Tesla threads have the most posts by people that don’t actually own one or have any intention of buying one.

    Rent free in many people’s heads unfortunately.

    And it’s not just Tesla, polestar reviews are full of people just posting crap. Pictures of VW’s connected to generators. Comments on Swedish companies building cheap in china etc

    You just have to be intelligent enough to form your own opinion and not rely on parody online comments from bots.

    Post edited by liamog on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,729 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Yeah. As I said. Doesn't mean diddly squat unless it translates into sales.

    But they're amusing though. And I get the impression (not being bored enough to actually check) that it's the same people making the same funny comments on multiple review.

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    DoneDeal channels the same. Your man puts a video up of the Cupra Tavascan. And gets ridiculed. It means nothing.

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    Yet you have Starlink and probably use twitter too, because it suits you.

    Sending all our money to a communist regime is not a comparison at all, in fact it's far more dangerous.

    Anyway back to the Model Y, looking forward to seeing it on our roads, I think it's a decent facelift.

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,729 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Whatever about Starlink, Twitter is unusable now. 🤣

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Twitter/You Porn/PornHub. All the same nowadays 😂

    Post edited by liamog on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,729 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    I wouldn't know. So I'll defer to the experts. 🤣

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    There were a few funny comments, mostly tongue in cheek and not malicious. There were also a few two-faced sh1theads calling for Fully Charged to delete the video and unsubbing from the channel (probably). These are the same trolls who chant "river to the sea". What do they all have in common? Look Left, not Reich.

    Post edited by liamog on

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,358 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I left twitter last year. Haven't been back. 24 hours to respond. You based somewhere else ?

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,358 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Well look back in a few years at this.

    I'm in no doubt, absolutely no doubt.

    There'll be alot of ducking and diving. Bigly.

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Wasn't Apple the one who contracted the huge factory in China to produce their phones? If memory serves there were numerous suicides, people went missing and 24+ hour shifts for $1 a day happened regularly in that place...

    Did that destroy Apple?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭yagan


    Yes, Foxcomm (Taiwanese company) factories in the ROC. There was even an Iphone city. I guess it didn't raise eyebrows as it was just another sweatshop like Nike and other brands had been known to use in the previous decades.

    So putting aside established outsourcing practices the focus is very much on the CEO openly calling for regime change in European democracies. Has there been elected EU governments opening calling for the overthrow of democracy in the USA?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Well they seem to be doing a good job of destroying democracy by themselves anyway

    Back on president Musk, the front man Trump was recently saying that they're aiming to increase oil and gas production but it's likely that data centers would use up a lot of the additional production

    So I guess for Musk the whole "saving the world through EVs" thing has gone from occasional talking point to just blatant lie

    Well at least xAI might finally turn a profit, or at least go from burning money and gas to just burning gas

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭yagan


    Or he could just be a megalomaniac who just happened to be involved in some good innovations.

    Hitler may have commissioned the VW Beetle but it stayed in production up til the 90s. I have older US relatives who used to boycott Toyotas because of Pearl Harbour!

    Edit to add, I guess the whole point of the thread is about a brand owner in the present time devaluing the product with their personal antics. VW and Toyota had WWII legacies to contend with when entering the US market, even Opel rebadged as Vauxhall because of their tank building legacy.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,257 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    You have a source on that Opel story? Wikipedia merely states that GM had bought both companies and merged the product lines, but kept the branding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,729 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Yeah, it was really that they kept the Vauxhall branding in the UK, because it was a well recognised UK brand and therefore would hurt sales if it was rebadged Opel.

    This goes back decades. Models were the same back as far as the 1970s, but they were badged differently and also there were some model name differences. For example the Opel Manta in Ireland was the Vauxhall Cavalier (GLS I think) in the UK. Exactly the same car with maybe some interior cosmetic differences (that could have been Irish poverty spec too).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭MakersMark


    Doe BYD buyers hold the Chinese State to the same ethics standards as they would appear to hold Musk to?

    Musk doesn't have 9 million political prisoners, nor does he have 3 million muslims in reeducation camps.

    But somehow Chinese goods are more palatable because Musk supports Trump?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,358 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Starting to feel the bite?

    As soon as the 'Chinese government' who now seemingly own and run all of byd start interfering in Irish Government affairs. UK prime minister affairs, EU legislation and trying to fund far right nazi parties in Germany. I'm all ears my man.

    All ears.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I suppose it's possible that he's screwed over Tesla by supporting a president who cancelled all EV subsidies on his first day

    It's probably something of a pyrrhic victory overall, Tesla were generally running a higher profit margin than a lot of their US or EU competitors and Chinese cars have effectively been banned in the US

    So cancelling EV subsidies is probably going to harm the competition more overall

    I'm not even sure I'd label Musk a megalomaniac, I feel like he's just a hustler who's managed to BS his way into a position of power and is making the most of his to further his own personal interests

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,262 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Have the Chinese said that the US army should llberate the UK or interfere openly in European domestic elections ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I wouldn't buy either brand, partly for the all those reasons, but several other reasons as well including just not liking any of their cars

    I also don't hold others to the same standard, buying from a brand with questionable associations doesn't make you guilty by extension.

    However, this thread is about the public CEO of Tesla doing damage to the brand (or not, depending on your view)

    Down the bottom of the page there's a button labelled "new discussion" if you want to start your own thread on the evils of various EV brands and why anyone who bought one should be ashamed of themselves

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,729 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    There was a time (not sure if it still holds true) that Tesla's profits were entirely the various subsidies they got from the US government.

    So even if not entirely that now, they will miss them. Also tariffs have a funny way of biting back, whether it be through parts imports or quid pro quo tariffs on US goods.

    That they still parrot the obvious lie that tariffs bear directly on foreign companies shows that they know who will be harmed most. The last time Trump did this, there were factory closures due to the high cost of imported raw materials.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    There's been a few posters over the years who have expressed exactly that opinion about BYD. Everybody is perfectly entitled to take whatever consideration they want to when purchasing a vehicle. People will have sworn off a brand for life because of bad service experience 25 years ago.

    Looking at Chinese cars, you've got SAIC as the Chinese State-owned company, they're responsible for MG cars. BYD and Geely (Polestar and Volvo) are both privately controlled Chinese companies.

    I don't hold any other person to an ethical standard when making a purchase, the only thing I apply any standards to are my own purchases and recommendations I'd make when asked by others.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah it's interesting how quickly the tariffs line has been walked back

    I've no doubt the man himself wouldn't hesitate to slap on tariffs, but the whole campaign was sold on the notion of bringing down prices and providing jobs

    Tariffs definitely don't help with the first, and can only help with the second if there's an existing domestic industry to protect

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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